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One day, the divers license works fine, the next day it turns into an arduous process. What exactly changes about the ~~probability~~ provability of your identity?
I’d love to hear what the full processes for checking IDs are in all three cases: RealID, Drivers License, Drivers License after RealID is required.
The documentation required to obtain a REAL ID is federally mandated (proof of identity, citizenship, and residency), whereas previously all states kinda did their own thing. Additionally, there are required verification services for those documents (when possible), e.g. passports have to get verified through the US Passport Verification System, etc.
Happy to share more, if you’re interested :)
whereas previously all states kinda did their own thing
This can't be emphasized enough. Different states had (and still have) wildly different standards for what is required to get a basic Driver's License or ID Card. Making a unified standard needed to happen, even if the way Real ID was implemented was... let's say "problematic".
AFAIK you can still get a non-Real ID compliant license in almost every state, though for some the difference in documentation requirements are all but nonexistent. Here in Nevada the only difference in required documents is that you can't use a Prison Identification Card to get a Real ID.
its needlessly convoluted.
The fact it requires more reliable documentation is?
Nothing really, it's just a way for the federal government to expand control and tracking of people.
It's a poll tax even if the fee is inconvenience.
Sounds like bringing your passport solves the problem completely. Something that has always been a good idea.
Most people in the US don’t actually have a passport.
“Most” people do. 51%. I thought it would be lower, too.
My employer required me to get mine (every employee, not just me). They paid for it, so I'm not complaining. My wife also decided to get hers as well, and then trump dropped the voter identification bullshit EO. What timing.
That actually surprises me as well. I'm impressed.
However what you presented are statistics for American citizens.
If you were to include the roughly 3 percent of people living in the USA that are undocumented, that pushes it below the 51 percent "most people" number. those 12 million people may or may not have a valid passport.
As a side point, the actual number of undocumented residents is hard to pin down. 3 percent is an estimate, but still a significant number.
Yeah I’ve never had one. Too poor to leave this hellhole
I'm glad I got one... we were supposed to go to Myanmar for a big wedding, but got shut down for covid, aaand they got hit with a military coup. :(
Passport's still good though!
Passport proper is still kinda expensive, but you can get a passport card for $65 for a first-time applicant. Good for a decade, Real ID compliant, works for all US land border crossings and domestic flights. That's not exactly cheap, but it's not that much more than a License in California.
never got it renewed after like 10-15 years ago, you have to reapply all over again.
But not too poor to spend holidays in one of the most expensive countries in the world?
I don’t really have many vacations. Mainly the cheap beach across my state. But it’s been a few years since I traveled.
Passport or passport card if you're on a domestic flight.
It's been a while since I've flown from the US, but in Canada you don't show ID until you're boarding. Is don't remember it being different, but I guess something must have changed?
In the US, there's a security checkpoint after check-in but before the gates. They check your ID and boarding pass there, then just your BP when boarding the plane.
This exists pretty much everywhere in the world.
In Brazil it's just the boarding pass until boarding starts.
That's true of everywhere I've been, but the person I replied to seemed confused 😅 I've never been to Canada, so 🤷♂️
Interesting. In Canada security only checks your boarding pass, and they check ID at the gate as you're boarding.
It seems logical if you want to verify that the right people are getting on the plane.
It's all the same components just in different order. You have to scan your boarding pass to get on the plane.
In the US you show your ID to TSA at the security check point.
What? You have to show ID art the ticket counter or kiosk to get your boarding pass. Security usually only looks at the boarding pass, then you have to show ID at the gate. That’s how it’s been in Canada as long as I can remember.
Yeah, people don't consider it as showing ID when you scan it at an automated kiosk to get your boarding pass even though it is.
I usually just get my boarding pass by email, which doesn't require ID, and at the kiosk you can just do it with your reservation number.
I’ve had to show it at both security and boarding for a few years now. Both domestic and international.