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[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 74 points 1 month ago (4 children)

Can you not read your own chart? That has her still losing 251-270. She still loses PA and is still obliterated in NC.

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Maybe I'm libposting when I say this, but having 100,000 less people openly hating you probably brings you more than 100,000 votes - imagine how many people would've campaigned for Kamala if she set Gaza as a red line and kept everything else the same!

Not that I disagree because that's too nuanced for this kind of chart

[–] simontherockjohnson@lemmy.ml 16 points 1 month ago

This is one of those fuzzy "the hypotheticals always go my way" type things.

It's how Democrats are always "Akshually just because Gallup says that 2/3rds of the country wants something doesn't mean they'll go out and vote for it if we pitch a 25 year on ramp for federal marijuana legalization."

[–] Lamprey@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

And imagine how many Zionists would have campaigned against her lol

It's nice to think our politics are popular, but it's not the case in a rhetoric sense

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Yeah, North Carolina probably shouldn't be included because it really wasn't decisive at all, but it's still amazing to see just how much libs fucking hated her.

Especially funny to see now that Biden is back and doing his senile "I still think I would've won" tour. Would be hilarious if he starts throwing Harris under the bus with these numbers. While I was at the gym I saw some clips of Fox News ragging on him for going on the View to brag about how he would've won, typically hate that they have that and CNN on 24/7 but it did make me laugh this time. Biden is such a piece of shit.

Anyone else think he'll just pass away on live TV?

[–] merthyr1831@lemmy.ml 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

i hope he goes like that Ukrainian nazi

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 7 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Hunka? He died? I didn't know that, you're telling me now for the first time.

[–] Thordros@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

[CW: Link leads to a video of what the link says it is.]

They are referring to Pyotr Vushko, former head of the Ukrainian Insurgent Army during World War 2, who died mid-speech in 2017.

[–] anarchoilluminati@hexbear.net 9 points 1 month ago

That's a good one, haven't seen that one before. Thanks!

[–] Sinisterium@hexbear.net 21 points 1 month ago (1 children)

People love to cope that way. Harris was unpopular not just because she oversaw a genocide as vice-president and advocated for its continuation, but also because she chased after the mythical moderate republican voters.

[–] ZWQbpkzl@hexbear.net 1 points 1 month ago

People need to stop arguing against material reality for the sake of political expediency. I know it would be nice if Palestine really was the reason she Kamala lost. But it wasn't and you can't removedthe democrats into believing it.

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

PA would be a lot closer and maybe those people would be more activated to get others to vote. Enthusiasm has a spreading effect like that sometimes. But even with that cope, NC still looks like a lost cause. And of course there's no way to know if PA would translate that way, I still suspect it would be a loss for her.

[–] queermunist@lemmy.ml 68 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Democrats would rather do genocide than win the most winnable election in history.

[–] djsaskdja@reddthat.com 34 points 1 month ago

Democrats would rather lose elections than win. It’s way more lucrative.

[–] AF_R@hexbear.net 17 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

All Biden had to do was forgive the $20k of loans and Dems would have won every election for another 20 years, with or without genocide. Not to mention the incredible jump start that would have given the economy, delaying the collapse by another generation.

The only logical conclusion is that liberals care more about capital than winning elections, which we’ve known for decades. Or really since 1776. Probably further if you wanted to check too!

[–] Sinisterium@hexbear.net 11 points 1 month ago

If kamala told people she would give another 2k then she would have won the election.

[–] ClassIsOver@hexbear.net 47 points 1 month ago (1 children)

It's ok, we've been assured that the safest white guy will be the next DNC pick because the only issues voters care about is race and sex. Never their shitty policies.

Democrats learn absolutely nothing from their losses.

[–] eyyImwalkin@hexbear.net 3 points 1 month ago

it's true tho

the only solution is continental hellfire from sea to shining sea

[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 37 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] Alaskaball@hexbear.net 28 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Not joking by the way @miz@hexbear.net show me the ~~money~~ citations!

[–] miz@hexbear.net 38 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

hrm ok uh

mich uncommitted number 101,604 https://www.npr.org/2024/02/27/1234279958/biden-uncommitted-democrats-michigan-primary-election-2024-

mich # votes harris lost by 2,816,636-2,736,533= 80,103 https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/michigan/?r=0

wisc uninstructed number 48,162 https://www.npr.org/2024/04/03/1242424035/wisconsin-uninstructed-uncommitted-biden-gaza

wisc # votes harris lost by 1,697,626-1,668,229= 29,397 https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/wisconsin/?r=0

penn 60,445 write-ins, apparently there wasn't a way to vote uncommitted you had to write it in https://www.inquirer.com/politics/election/pennsylvania-uncommitted-primary-votes-20240424.html

buuuuut

Uncommitted PA Surpasses Goal!

The campaign exceeded its goal of 40,000 total write-ins for President in the Pennsylvania Democratic Primary with 60,724 total write-in votes.

Over 120,000 registered Democrats withheld their vote from Joe Biden in the April 23, 2024 Presidential Primary Election.

I am not sure where UncommittedPA is getting that second 120k number, somebody help me out?

penn # votes harris lost by 3,543,308-3,423,042= 120,266 https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/pennsylvania/?r=0

north carolina uncommitted number 88,021 https://www.npr.org/2024/03/06/1236295096/super-tuesday-results-uncommitted-biden-gaza-israel

north carolina # votes harris lost by 2,898,423-2,715,375= 183,048 https://apnews.com/projects/election-results-2024/north-carolina/?r=0

[–] marxisthayaca@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago

Democrats don't want to win.

[–] Monk3brain3@hexbear.net 23 points 1 month ago

At the end of the day Dems are willing to die for Israel. So I say let them

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 22 points 1 month ago

There's still the unknown unknowns of how many people were opposed to the genocide but didn't bother voting in the primary and how many people voted uncommitted but ended up pulling the lever for Harris anyway.

My bet is it wasn't enough to change the election outcome but the simpler story here is that the democrats took the most cowardly possible route and still lost the election.

[–] miz@hexbear.net 13 points 1 month ago

this is from November 10th so it probably needs updating for final totals

[–] micnd90@hexbear.net 8 points 1 month ago

I thought we had this emoji