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It’s almost like traditional Labour voters: workers, the youth, the poor, the elderly aren’t exactly impressed with labours drive to make life in the uk worse for all the above sectors of society and see his spineless grovelling to Reform voters and transphobes for exactly what it is.

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[–] MolotovHalfEmpty@hexbear.net 44 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

-96 points underwater with the only constituency you're actually targeting. wow

Of course, it doesn't actually matter since the project of Starmer's handlers isn't to actually have Labour maintain power, it's to strip the copper out of the walls & dismantle what's left of the welfare state + social contract, while completing the UKs transformation into a fascist outpost of unmitigated US policy.

[–] Palacegalleryratio@hexbear.net 37 points 3 weeks ago

Well yes, his job was to take power with the clamour for reform after decades of Tory rule, deliberately squander the chance for change. Turn left wing people off politics for a generation so Reform can take power in the apathy vacuum and we can continue marching towards fascism unopposed.

[–] Staines@hexbear.net 44 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (4 children)

Typically I don't engage with libs on politics because we're using entirely different lenses of analysis.

But in the past year people in my life have gone from asking me why I'm not voting for labour in the general election, to asking me to explain why I knew labour would be so bad, to asking me to explain Ibrahim Traoré and the Sahel to them because they like his reforms(?!??).

People want something to believe in.

[–] edge@hexbear.net 18 points 3 weeks ago

to asking me to explain Ibrahim Traoré and the Sahel to them because they like his reforms(?!??).

waow-based

[–] Azarova@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

asking me to explain Ibrahim Traoré

something must've gone viral on tiktok or something because this is the second or third time in about a week I've heard about politically disengaged liberals asking about Burkina Faso

[–] Staines@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago

It must be something like that.

[–] Palacegalleryratio@hexbear.net 8 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

This week I had to go to an office of ours I don’t often go in, and was baffled to have my coworkers mock me because “my guy” was doing such a bad job.

I had to explain that despite (because?) their accurate jeering assessment of me as a woke lefty, why Keir is most certainly not “my guy” and I absolutely didn’t vote for him.

The average Brit has zero political literacy, presumably by design of the education system.

[–] KuroXppi@hexbear.net 9 points 3 weeks ago

I'm a communist, you idiot

[–] Lerios@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

asking me to explain why I knew labour would be so bad

i know it's shallow, but i love these moments. not for my ego, but because it gives me an excuse to be like "well they call it the immortal science for a reason 🤓"

[–] Staines@hexbear.net 1 points 3 weeks ago

I said a year ago that labour was going to be so dreadful there we'd see a surge in Reform.

Now that that's come to pass, friends asking me what's going to happen next and all I can say is I don't know - I just hope we'll all be ok.

[–] TerminalEncounter@hexbear.net 26 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

You only get to do the neoliberal turn once. You get one Clinton, one Blair, one whoever. That's it.

[–] Palacegalleryratio@hexbear.net 21 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

He knows that, so he’s getting his Enoch Powel heal turn in early.

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago

abundance begs to differ

[–] Fishroot@hexbear.net 17 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago) (1 children)

Try to be the skimmed version of the real thing when both of them are at the same price

[–] Palacegalleryratio@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago

Knowingly buying a fake Rolex from some guy in the pub, but still paying £14k for it

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 14 points 3 weeks ago (2 children)

yes, but they will vote labour again in the next election anyways like democrat's keep voting democrats not matter how much they keep openly caving to trump and our oligarchy.

[–] Palacegalleryratio@hexbear.net 26 points 3 weeks ago

I don’t know, I think that’s part of the issue. Labour collapsing splits the ‘left-ish’ vote even further between the greens, Lib Dem’s and Labour. Whilst the right is all happy to vote for Reform as seen in the council elections this last month.

[–] UmbraVivi@hexbear.net 16 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Kamala lost because a lot of people who voted last election didn't vote for her again.

[–] eldavi@lemmy.ml 2 points 3 weeks ago

-- because of the genocide

[–] WeedReference420@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago
[–] Jacobo_Villa_Lobos@hexbear.net 14 points 3 weeks ago

But what about the almighty columnist class! Surely their opinions matter too!

[–] Horse@lemmygrad.ml 13 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

this strategy would never work to begin with, the frothing chuds that make up reform voters would never vote labour, even if they did every single thing that reform want them to, purely because it's the labour party doing it

[–] SevenSkalls@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago (1 children)

Not to mention that every time a liberal party tries that, the right just runs more right. So suddenly what seemed like a super conservative opinion you could've used to scoop up some of your opponent's voters seems more centrist now, and the voters just go for the more right-leaning opinion again.

[–] Palacegalleryratio@hexbear.net 7 points 3 weeks ago

Overton window goes rrrrrrrrright

[–] LocalOaf@hexbear.net 12 points 3 weeks ago

He needs to drink from the puddle to prove to Farage that he's not gay

[–] XiaCobolt@hexbear.net 5 points 3 weeks ago

I'm now learning that reactionaries call him "Two-Tier Keir", (some racist paranoia about policing), he's done the impossible and made them funny.