Knowing what his father was like, it's very likely that they'd still produce a horrible kid.
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I doubt that a child assigned female at birth would be as horrible in that patriarchal and misogynistic environment.
cuckolds Hitler's dad
discovers that paradoxes don't exist the hard way
The butterfly effect refers to divergent chaotic systems. Chaos in math isn't the layman's chaos. It doesn't mean wild. It only means there is no closed form mathematical solution. For example stepping on a butterfly can't affect the weather such that the moon would crash into the Earth.
Bumping into Hitler's parents wouldn't necessarily change anything. You have to do something drastic such that he was conceived days to weeks apart such that the sperm was completely different. Even a minor delay wouldn't affect it because the sperm that fertilizes an egg isn't random. There are selection hurdles in mobility that the sperm passes such that the most "fit" is likely the one that fertilizes the egg.
No it doesn't mean that. It means that tiny changes in input result in big changes in the output.
By your definition, a simple ellipse is chaotic. Which it clearly isn't. Tiny changes in the axes result in tiny changes to its shape, and by extension its perimeter. Yet there is no closed form formula for the perimiter of an ellipse.
This could also be verified using a simple dictionary, not even a math textbook.
Kick his dad in the nards!
Chaos means that a small change in initial conditions can lead to drastically different places in the long term, so I think OP was using the idea correctly. Though I agree that just bumping into the parents may not be enough to push the system into another trajectory.
B. F. Skinner would like a word
For twenty-five hundred years people have been preoccupied with feelings and mental life, but only recently has any interest been shown in a more precise analysis of the role of the environment. Ignorance of that role led in the first place to mental fictions, and it has been perpetuated by the explanatory practices to which they gave rise.
Let's say you're right and you've prevented the birth of Adolf or altered him to send him to another life trajectory. Who is to say that there wouldn't be another mad person, naturally a man, who would rise to power and commit similar if not even worse crimes. It's not only the person that made the fuehrer possible, it's also everything happening in the world, especially politics at the time. So you've bumped Adolf but you've created Anton who was similarly radicalized but he wasn't a landscape painter, he was a physics major and he made Germany develop nuclear weapons much faster. So now you have to go back and disturb Anton's conception. Which brings about fuehrer Armin and so forth. You might be stuck in a time loop you'll never be able to stop because you can't control all the variables.
They told me to "get rid of hitler" and I technically acomplished the mission. 🤷♂️
Just following orders?
Ah... shit... here we go again...
All you had to do was follow the damn train (to Auschwitz) CJ!
For real, there was nothing particularly special about Hitler that made him the one and only being of his type.
It was a confluence of multiple differing things, the emergence of new media technologies, and the ability to repeat a single message over and over again to as many people as needed to hear them without any equally as loud voices of dissent.
Combine that with an incredible financial depression and the consequences of an ill thought war being foisted upon your country's shoulders.
Admittedly, it was his own personal biases against the Jewish people that caused the Holocaust, and the Aktion T4 was similarly born out of his hatred of people with mental disabilities.
In any case, if you take a miserable nation, give them a lightning rod to direct all of the misery of their own lives at, and an eloquent or charismatic leader to tell them it is okay to vent their frustrations on the helpless people that surround them, then you too can create another Hitler.
Without the Holocaust, there'd have been no international horror over the atrocities of concentration camps, gas chambers, human experimentation, genocide. Anti-Jewish sentiment was rampant around the world.
Progressives made a lot of progress off the back of WWII, and the anti-fascist sentiment in the US that survived until the greatest generation died and their grandchildren took over. It's entirely possible that, without WWII, the fascism we see in the US today would have happened much earlier, and we'd have run our own concentration camps.
Ironically, the people who probably would have benefited most from preventing "Hitler" would be the modern Palestinians, because without Hitler, Israel would not exist today, and it wouldn't be carrying out a genocide.
Reminds me a bit of the setting for the Red Alert series of games. Although there they actually go back in time and kill Hitler so different from the scenario in this post but the possible alternate timelines are fun to think about.
Don't like your highschool bully, just bump into their parents back in time. Or you know, "bump" ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) into their parents
Forcing your high school bully to call you daddy is one hell of a power move
I read a short story... I don't remember the name of it... Anyway the guy goes back in time and kills Hitler, only to discover upon his return that everything was worse. So he went back and stopped himself.
Possibly "Making History" by Stephen Fry - although at 380 pages it doesn't quite match as a short story, and the protagonist doesn't stop himself so much as do something else to reverse the effects of his actions to save Hitler.
on a side note...
Important Note: In order to marry, Alois and Klara had to obtain a dispensation from the Church due to their close familial ties. This highlights the fact that they were indeed related and their marriage was considered unusual for the time.
I need to know more. Source for quote please?
https://allthatsinteresting.com/alois-hitler
Alois Hitler wanted to marry his cousin immediately, however, their close relation posed some legal difficulties and they had to request a dispensation from the local bishop. The bishop was clearly also disturbed by the very few degrees of separation between the pair and forwarded the request to the Vatican, who eventually granted it (perhaps because by this time Klara was already pregnant).
Were they cousins or 2nd cousins? Cuz these two links say both.
It's all gross, but one's grosser than the other.
The church 50 some years later...
See Alabama? This is why incest is bad. You get literal hitler....
If the same geopolitical environment still led to World War II but with a different German leader then the outcome of the war could very well have ended differently.
Leading up to major invasions like D-Day in Normandy and the invasion of Sicily the allies implemented major deceptions to confuse the Germans. Despite some senior leadership recognizing at least some aspects of those deceptions, Hitler himself fell for them pretty thoroughly and ordered troop movements that reduced German defenses where the attacks took place, and delayed moving them back because he still believed the deceptions were real. There are other examples of poor decisions by Hitler throughout the course of the war that proved helpful for the allies as well.
If Germany had a more qualified military leader running things then events like the Normandy D-Day invasion could have had a very different outcome. If the Germans had the Normandy beaches better defended then that invasion could very well have failed. And if that happened then there’s a good chance Germany could have won the war.
yeah. you, your parents, your grandparents, all your people, GONE. never happened. different versions of same still happen, possibly even happy and flourishing. love that for them. Also Hitler still happened, under a different name.
Believe it or not... You've got Hitler Squared now 🤷♂️
make his dad pull out
LOL
That's not how any of this works. Not-quite-Hitler would still be exposed to the same influences and grow up to be the same person.
But its technically not your timeline's hitler anymore.
Who knows, maybe this offspring produced by the same parents turned out to be XX chromosomes (aka: assigned female at birth) and therefore would not be in the same trajectory given the extreme-patriarchal and misogynistic society at the time. Or maybe even if he turned out to be assigned male at birth, he would have a slighly different personality that cause him to get shot to death in WW1.
But either way, you still caused your hitler to cease to exist.