Meanwhile in the Netherlands:
this post was submitted on 03 Jun 2025
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If people want more context for this: the place is named Baarle-Hertog, it's a small enclave like town located in The Netherlands, but is Belgian soil. These days, it's probably most famous just before New Years Eve, as Dutch people buy fireworks in Baarle-Hertog, as the fireworks sold in Belgium are illegal in The Netherlands.
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Actually, nobody wants it. Canada gave it to the United States after winning the War of 1812.
Let's not forget that the real enemy here is Ohio. Their insistence that they get the Toledo strip at the bottom of Michigan caused a border war (at least two people got stabbed, and our militias drunkenly shouted at each other before the feds intervened), which the feds settled by giving the state of Ohio what they wanted, the Michigan territory the UP and nothing to the vague pile of unincorporated territory that would become Wisconsin.
In summation, it's all Ohio's fault and Wisconsin should join us in the feud.
Typical Michigan history erasing.
Michigan started it.
I'm telling mom!
Typical Ohio. First sign of disagreement and you go running to tattle to Andrew Jackson.
In seriousness though, I went to refresh my memory about the cause, and it's just preposterous.
Congress divided the Great lakes area based on a terrible, but best available, map. A state boundary was supposed to run from the southern tip of lake Michigan eastwards until it hit either Canada or the north shore of lake Erie, and then come out the other side of lake Erie and continue until Pennsylvania. At the time they thought lake Michigan only went about as far south as Detroit, give or take.
When Ohio became a state they had started to hear rumors that lake Michigan wasn't shaped the way they thought, so they included some clauses in their constitution to ensure they had more northern territory regardless. Congress said whatever, referred the change to committee, neither rejected nor accepted it and then granted statehood.
When they incorporated the Michigan territory, they used their original definition because they hadn't looked at Ohio's proposed changes at all.
When Michigan moved towards statehood we had come to a clear understanding of the shape of lake Michigan, and so Michigan assumed they got the land that Congress said they got: southern tip of lake Michigan east until lake Erie or Canada. Which would end up being Michigan stretching from roughly Gary Indiana to Sandusky Ohio.
World's most tiny drunken border conflict later and the feds say Ohio wins because a state takes precedence over a territory, but Michigan was right on the cusp of statehood and they didn't want a fresh state to immediately hate their party so they traded it for a disconnected and totally disproportionate chunk of Wisconsin, which wasn't applying for statehood yet and hence didn't matter politically. Michigan was irate until it turned out the UP was full of resources that had more value than the shipping that went through Toledo.
(I can't read a wiki and then not share if I read it because of a comment. I have no regrets for the wall of text)
I have no regrets for the wall of text
Me neither. It was quite informative.
Typical Ohio, giving giant middle fingers all around.
If memory serves, Wisconsin also didn't care until there was copper discovered in the UP, and then they tried to lay claim - but by that point the Yoopers had been Michiganders for like 70ish years, and Wisconsin's claim was immediately shot down.
Upper Midwesterners: Ope sorry just sneaking past ya to snag a two four
Rest of America: why aren’t you fighting?
Get fucking croatiaed Wisconsin cucks
Wisconsin might not have the UP but it does have crippling alcoholism!
So you really are the Croats of America. <3
Illinois, Michigan, and Minnesota, all of Wisconsin's neighbors, have access to marijuana in some form or another.
The alcohol lobby in Wisconsin is so strong, they continually shut down attempts to legalize weed.
They also share a border with Iowa who does not have legal weed.
Wisconsin is too busy eating cheese and watching the Packers lose.
Most teams would love to fail as much as the Packers. In fact, the UP is full of Packers fans.
I've known people from up there. Northern WI and the UP are culturally identical.
Wrong. Yoopers are Yoopers, not Sconnies.
The UP is like the Night's Watch, protecting Wisconsin from the Free Folk (Canadaians)
We just don't want it, it seems completely polluted with Americans.
They can have it man. Yoopers ain't our kind.
It's okay, y'all can stay down there on your side of the bridge
But then they’d have to drive all the way to Illinois or Minnesota to buy their weed
The biggest population centers of WI are closer to the IL boarder than MN or the UP. But it's better to drive to the UP and load up because IL taxed the shit out of it.
MN dispensaries are only just getting running outside of native reservations.
Hopefully they will get some dispensaries open this year.
Wisconsin is more likely to legalize weed before Minnesota ever figures out their licensing and actually starts retail sales.
But we have retail sales! Of edibles, at the very least.
The 5mg hemp derived stuff, but we can't buy the good stuff yet. Last year they said it would be coming in 2025 but now I'm not sure if it will even happen in 2026.
Damn I just looked it up and in practice you have stricter rules than we do here in Indiana haha
I never noticed before that Michigan is straight up getting penetrated by Lake Michigan. Wisconsin is content just being the upper vaginal wall so long as they don’t have to be the labia and all that other shit.
Have you been to the upper peninsula? It's lame.
(it's not, I would like to live there and I'm even from ohio)
Common Michigan W. After the war, they got the whole U.P., and Ohio got stuck with Toledo.
Michigan has tank assembly lines.
I mean, Wisconsin has Oshkosh Truck
And like once a year, the busiest airport in the world
Where? Genuinely curious
The Detroit Arsenal. https://tacom.army.mil/about/detroit-arsenal
It was where they made a lot of the tanks, but it's since been "consolidated" to be an r&d and testing center. Factory unionization gave Ohio and Kentucky a major headstart in the race to the bottom, and that extended past the auto sector to other related manufacturing centers as well.
Warren, just north of Detroit, part of metro Detroit. I don't know if it is a real assembly line but it is a big factory.
Wisconsin is just being nice and letting Michigan have something that isn't complete shit
I just don’t think Wisconsin wanted to deal with Canada at all. Let Michigan deal with it.
Why attack a nice state like michigan? it's the pile of crap under the bridge no one cares about.