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[–] Katrisia@lemm.ee 4 points 1 day ago

I get the point, but it's not a good way of defending it. The ADHD medication might be okay, but here is framed as an exaggeration, and the other one is not good.

Furthermore, many of those interventions are detrimental or at least dangerous. Mine was orthodontics and it ended terribly; today, I would need a surgery to correct all the damage caused. While I was a difficult case, it's not uncommon. In recent years, braces are being reconsidered as they alter a developing skull, often atrophiating something while repairing something else. Sports in childhood can have an impact in adulthood. This one I'm also living it closely as my mother was one of those girls inspired by Nadia Comăneci to start gymnastics. Today, she's living a hard late adulthood.

We've normalized not listening to children and thinking of them as our properties. Medical interventions (I literally pointed out the problem with my treatment and I was ignored) or the lack of them can be a sign of this. We need to balance their developing cognitive abilities with their autonomy, not shadowing their autonomy all together. That's the argument. Telling people "things are already done, so what's the problem?" is fallacious at best and counterproductive at worst.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 37 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Ok but let's not further the anti adhd meds bandwagon. I'd be a high-school dropout instead of a college graduate without them

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 5 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I've been without my ADHD meds for a couple days since II ran out and since I was changing the dosage I decided not to get a refill until then, and my God i am so annoying without them.

anybody who claims to not want to put people on ADHD medicine should have to sit next to me explaining F1 drivers and shit at a restaurant where I'm not getting the social cues to shut up

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 22 hours ago

We could put on a track of me repeating words so I don't forget the thing I'm trying to do, get, or find. You can only hear the word keys repeated until shit shoes, shoes, shoes… so many times before going insane

[–] Stamets@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

anybody who claims to not want to put people on ADHD medicine should have to sit next to me explaining F1 drivers and shit at a restaurant where I’m not getting the social cues to shut up

Gestures to the entirety of my personality and all of the Star Trek within

Mood

[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 20 hours ago

Yeah, that rubs me the wrong way. I've never been diagnosed with anything because that costs money, but if you told me there was a pill I could take that would make my brain work something close to normal, I'd trade almost anything for it

Like yeah there's obviously nothing wrong with having ADHD or depression or autism, and also your quality of life is significantly worse if you can't bring yourself to make phone calls or wake up before noon or remember to brush your teeth every day

[–] collapse_already@lemmy.ml 25 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Let's play youth football. CTE is even worse for children than adults, but hey sign this waiver for your kid.

[–] pyre@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

I hereby declare that I shall not sue for damages in the less-than-likely event that my child's skull cracks open

[–] burgerpocalyse@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

many intersex people had impromptu surgery performed on them after being born because the doctor determined that their genitalia did not conform to their standards of male or female. this typically happens with no parental support or consent, but even if the parents are made aware, it isnt exactly made apparent the ramifications of what will be done.

[–] Rachelhazideas@lemmy.world 38 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Invalidating ADHD doesn't make trans people feel better, it only perpetuates ableist and medically misinformed views on ADHD.

Particularly women, minorities, and non-binary people, who have historically been severely underdiagnosed and neglected as is. Girls are 16 times less likely than boys to receive an ADHD diagnosis and treatment.

Women who speak out about their ADHD are often dismissed on social media as ‘self diagnosed pick me girls’ just seeking attention. In reality, many are speaking up against the ongoing crisis of medical neglect.

Untreated ADHD can put already vulnerable people into higher risk of developing clinical depression and other comorbid mental health issues. ADHD medication can be life saving, and calling it meth only serves to stigmatize the mental health issues ADHD patients go through, as well as discourage them from getting the help and medication they need.

If you call yourself an ally to trans people, that includes trans people with ADHD. There is no need to add to their intersectional struggles when they already have so much on their plate.

[–] TriflingToad@sh.itjust.works 4 points 1 day ago

I don't think the point was to put down people with ADHD, I think it was to point out the hypocrisy in not letting people control their bodies. I agree with your point though, getting my sister diagnosed was really frustrating for her :(

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 37 points 2 days ago (5 children)

I'd like to bring circumcision into this discussion.

Any Healthcare provider that performs this on a child should be arrested for child abuse.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 17 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

I like how the biggest reasons for it are either "I can't spare the moisture for cleaning it, so it's better to cut it off" and "the guy who invented corn flakes said foreskins are Satan's eyelids"

[–] Wilco@lemm.ee 8 points 1 day ago

I know! The idea that circumcision was introduced as a way to curb masterbation may or may not be true ... but one has to admit the entire procedure and culture around it is a bit sketchy.

Little boy ... you have been pre-emptively convicted of not washing your dick ... in the future. You are dirty, you will get an infection ... in the future ... you nasty little shit ... so we are going to cut you ✂️

[–] obsoleteacct@lemm.ee 15 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

There are a number of reasons why one could be medically necessary. I agree that medically unnecessary surgical procedures to infant genitals for purely cosmetic or cultural reasons are pretty unjustifiable, but "any healthcare provider... Should be arrested" is either a bit ill informed, or a wildly extremist position.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

It's just "muh parental rights" and people clinging onto their power over others.

Essentiallly, if you're not excercising overt control over your children, then you're showing to those children that do get that kind of overt control, that there's an another way of life. You have to essentially micromanage your children's life well into their adulthood, just because some scummy adults that managed to steer their children into unwanted relationships and/or shitty jobs, and you'd offend them for it.

I kind of got that kind of treatment when it comes to jobs. My stepmother really wanted me to have a "manly job" instead of becoming a programmer, because she was "concerned of me" that I will end up too weak, and also she hated working on computers because they crashed thus she believed they're "just a fad" (until facebook came). All while being too disabled to do said jobs. Things that shouldn't hurt at all are really painful for me, likely due to a mixture of pain hypersensitivity (due to then undiagnosed autism) and some skin/collagen condition. But all of these did not matter, because parents even have the right to make mistakes from time to time, and they can't be right all the time unfortunately. Result: starting college with minimal programming knowledge, while others already dabbled into OOP by that time.

For the reactionary, a parent's horrible mistake is million times more important than the child's own will, that could sometimes even save them.

[–] Almacca@aussie.zone 13 points 1 day ago

Then there's kids playing contact sports. Rugby is fucking brutal.

[–] seliaste@lemmy.blahaj.zone 22 points 2 days ago (5 children)

Amphetamines is not the same as meth.

[–] Soup@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (4 children)

No, but my Vyvanse does specifically say “Methamphetamine…” on the bottle sooo…

Of course the dose is different, and the context too, but still.

[–] m0stlyharmless@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It should say lisdexamphetamine on it.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (5 children)

The Portion Makes The Poison

Almost as though there's some kind of merit to professionalization of pharmacology.

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[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 9 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Not the same, but according to wikipedia it is also sometimes used to treat ADHD

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Methamphetamine

Its literally the first sentence of the "use" section.

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[–] TranscendentalEmpire@lemmy.today 88 points 2 days ago (18 children)

I don't think many people working outside pediatric healthcare really have an understanding about how comfortable healthcare providers are prescribing interventional care.

When diagnosing and treating a patient we come up with a plan of care that is weighted on total outcomes. Now this isn't a perfect system, for example we may not completely understand the potential harm of new medications. However, we are creating the plan of care with the best information we have at the time. Taking potential side effects and weighing it against the potential harm that could occur without any treatment.

I specialize in pediatric orthopedics and rehabilitation....so take anything I say about gender affirming care with a grain of salt. However, the potential outcome for not treating gender dysphoria as I understand it is pretty bad....self harm and suicide are about as bad as an outcome as one could imagine. Now weigh that against the medications that are usually prescribed for gender affirming care which are well known, and most often prescribed without negative effect for a plethora of treatments ranging from precocious puberty, to monitoring rate of which growth plates close.

Hormone replacement therapy has been going on for decades and is very common place at any hospital that atends to pediatric patients. To claim that intervention isn't appropriate for something with a potential total outcome as bad as suicide, based off "kids can't consent" is a ridiculous notion considering that the same drugs are often prescribed to make sure a child doesn't develop a limb length discrepancy after an orthopedic surgery.

[–] cows_are_underrated@feddit.org 12 points 2 days ago

Its also worth noting, that kids, especially when they are aware of their condition before puberty, are gonna have a really fucking bad time in puberty. Seeing your body change in a way, that is directly contradictory to what you want can be absolute hell. Theres also the possibility to prescribe puberty blockers and therefore stopping puberty. If a kid then later decides, that it does want to go through puberty they can stop taking the blockers. They won't really have any long term changes from going through puberty some time later, but on the other hand you just made the life of all kids that dont want to go through puberty way better.

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[–] gandalf_der_12te@discuss.tchncs.de 40 points 2 days ago (4 children)

actually i've heard from a ton of people that youth ballet training is apparently problematic to them

but not because of the medical complications that certainly do arise with it. instead, because of supposed youth sexualization.

[–] wewbull@feddit.uk 10 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Generally all peak athletes started very young, probably because of the parent's dreams and not the child's. I would have a problem with a lot of those situations.

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

I mean, a big component of professional ballet involves the use of beta blockers to prevent girls from showing the signs of puberty.

Some of that is on athletic grounds - maturity brings changes to the body that impede the performance of the ballerina. Some of it is purely aesthetics. In fact, until fairly recently, women professional Olympians would avoid puberty to maintain the lean look that judges preferred. Only in the mid-90s/early-00s did we begin to see the power figure skaters and gymnasts who took advantage of the increased mature muscle mass to outperform their younger peers. Someone like Simone Biles would never have moved passed the preliminaries in an 80s-era Olympic competition.

But you could play the same game with male athletes and steroids/HGH/etc. Practically every professional uses some kind of performance enhancing medication of nebulous legality. And the younger you start, the greater the benefits over your career.

I gotta ask, if we're so worried about this, do we need to get rid of professional athletics entirely? Or are we going to accept some degree of young body modification and parental control over their bodies?

[–] drmoose@lemmy.world 13 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

And then let's not forget beauty pageants and professional kids sports in general. All of it in my eyes is extremely unethical. Kids should be doing their own growing up and their own clubs focused on meaningful growth not entertainment.

This is actually one of real problems of capitalism that no one is talking about. Since early investments are incredibly valuable in capitalistic societies kids with early entertainment training have advantage but using kids for entertainments is in practice simply unethical. This is equivalent of sexualizing kids early so they become sexy adults. Nasty stuff when you spend a minute actually thinking about.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Add in the fact that by tying athletics to universities many children are pressured into at the very least dedicating enough to compete on a university level in order to get scholarships.

Hell, in some cases that's one of the concerns people have with trans athletes, and while I do have that concern in the atypical direction (there's a large category of scholarships young trans people are increasingly being barred from, and some young trans people are being given a particularly harsh manifestation of the financial disadvantages associated with transition), but there's also intense ablism and a strong absurdity to all of it.

The fact that its just normal in America that some teenagers will lose a scholarship because they get injured and that that will have a drastic change to their long-term finances is both on brand and fucking insane.

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[–] aeternum@lemmy.blahaj.zone 27 points 2 days ago

Dexies != meth.

[–] entwine413@lemm.ee 60 points 2 days ago (26 children)

The fact that bad shit is normalized isn't a great argument in this instance.

[–] themoonisacheese@sh.itjust.works 53 points 2 days ago (19 children)

Yes it is. The argument is that people having a moral panic over kids getting gender affirming care (which they erroneously believe to be bottom surgery, that's another can of worms), which is shown to be safe and effective, are not having the same moral panic (and even are likely to be the same demographic enabling this behaviour) over actual, proven to be a disaster for your health activities, shows that all these people are simply transphobes.

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