this post was submitted on 12 Jul 2025
313 points (96.4% liked)

Fuck Cars

12591 readers
1752 users here now

A place to discuss problems of car centric infrastructure or how it hurts us all. Let's explore the bad world of Cars!

Rules

1. Be CivilYou may not agree on ideas, but please do not be needlessly rude or insulting to other people in this community.

2. No hate speechDon't discriminate or disparage people on the basis of sex, gender, race, ethnicity, nationality, religion, or sexuality.

3. Don't harass peopleDon't follow people you disagree with into multiple threads or into PMs to insult, disparage, or otherwise attack them. And certainly don't doxx any non-public figures.

4. Stay on topicThis community is about cars, their externalities in society, car-dependency, and solutions to these.

5. No repostsDo not repost content that has already been posted in this community.

Moderator discretion will be used to judge reports with regard to the above rules.

Posting Guidelines

In the absence of a flair system on lemmy yet, let’s try to make it easier to scan through posts by type in here by using tags:

Recommended communities:

founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
 

Winsome Earle-Sears is running for Governor of Virginia

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2025_Virginia_gubernatorial_election

She wants to get rid of the car tax:

https://xcancel.com/winwithwinsome/status/1943022815583600667

This is the dumbest tax plan EVER.

  • Virginia residents who own a car get millions in cuts πŸ’°

  • Virginia residents who are car-free get nothing ❌

Who comes up with this non-sense🀦?

Only 3 states Delaware, Montana, and New Jersey raise enough revenue from cars to fully cover their highway spending. The remaining 47 states must make up the difference with tax revenues from other sources

By diverting general funds to roadway spending, the burden of paying for the roads falls on all taxpayers, including people who drive very little or may not drive at all.

https://taxfoundation.org/data/all/state/state-road-taxes-funding/

top 38 comments
sorted by: hot top controversial new old
[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

Anytime I hear "ax the tax" I know it's removing a tax that benefits society and replacing it with a detriment to society. Without fail

[–] squaresinger@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago

You buy a computer, pay for it, and then you still need to pay for power and internet?

[–] ThatKomputerKat@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Personally as someone who drives, I prefer roads that I don’t need a lifted 4x4 to traverse. I’d say these people must think the asphalt just grows there naturally, but really they don’t actually think at all.

[–] slaacaa@lemmy.world 40 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Just one less tax broπŸ™

I promise bro just one less tax and it'll fix everything πŸ₯Ί

[–] dillekant@slrpnk.net 18 points 1 day ago

You got married but you have to be nice to your wife to get a blowjob? If I'm elected governor, everyone's wives will have to give them a blowjob whenever they want, no questions asked.

[–] GenosseFlosse@feddit.org 22 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

Some countries don't have a car tax. However their roads are mostly unpaved dirt paths without signs, bridges or road maintenance, and you can't go faster than 40kmh without ruining your car.

[–] Demdaru@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Sounds like good resolution to US car-centric infrastruture :D

[–] Lost_My_Mind@lemmy.world 43 points 1 day ago

Ah yes. The magical self maintaining roads.

[–] henfredemars@infosec.pub 69 points 2 days ago (2 children)

On the contrary, cars are way too subsidized! We should be taxing these vehicles to appropriately reflect their social cost.

[–] PunnyName@lemmy.world 44 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Especially gas, by removing subsidies.

[–] Steve@communick.news 30 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (3 children)

When people complain about how expensive gasoline is, I usually suggest it be over $20/gallon to actually fund road maintenance, and clean up its environmental damage. Nobody's agreed with me yet.

[–] jlh@lemmy.jlh.name 2 points 1 day ago

It's $8 a gallon in sweden and it's still subsidized

[–] jumjummy@lemmy.world 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Unless there are some other drastic changes in funding, and a slow ramp up to this tax, you’d absolutely destroy the working class people working the lower wage jobs. Poorer people tend to not have any remote work, and would most likely be driving an older, less fuel efficient and non-electric car.

[–] Steve@communick.news 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

All of that is true.
So of course it would have to be phased in over at least a few years. That's the way these things are always done anyway.

[–] msage@programming.dev 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)
[–] Steve@communick.news 5 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Thank you. I'd expect it here.
But in the real world I suddenly grow a second head on my shoulders.

[–] msage@programming.dev 4 points 1 day ago

In Europe we pay like $6-8 per gallon, some countries may be paying even more.

We just need to build trains everywhere. That will solve all of our problems in this category.

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Also trucks... One reason car taxes have increased a lot in recent years where I live is trucking lobbies lobbying government to reduced road taxes on trucks and increase weight limits on trucks.

She's also a Republican in all the worst kind of ways. Looking at her Wikipedia page just... Yikes.

[–] GoddessGundy@lemmy.world 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When you get into main cities, public transportation and walking becomes easier and it makes sense to tax drivers more.

I've been working in the backwoods/suburbs for over 15 years now and in the US, you're fucked. There is no way to get/keep a job without a car because there are no bike lanes, no sidewalks, and good luck trying to find a taxi/Uber. Your forced to take on the emissions testing, loans for junk cars because we can't afford new cars. A 15 minute drive is 2 hours on foot because there are no sidewalks, you have to cut through yards, which is "trespassing" and you could get shot, especially in the backwoods areas.

They basically make it illegal to NOT have a car. And that's a win for them because then they can tax the fuck out of you for owning one

[–] ECB@feddit.org 1 points 16 hours ago

It's extra shitty because even with how expensive they are to own, cars (and the infrastructure for them) are STILL heavily subsidized.

It's just a nonsense, inefficient system all around...

[–] ch00f@lemmy.world 31 points 2 days ago

I grew up in Virginia. When I was in the 3rd grade, Jim Gilmore won on a "no car tax" campaign in 1998. Funny how we still have car tax hmm...

[–] Venator@lemmy.nz 24 points 2 days ago

You don't have to pay taxes on your car if you don't drive it on public roads.

[–] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I agree it's pretty stupid to pay a tax just for owning something. Let's change it so they pay it every time they use it. Much more fair.

[–] OrteilGenou@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] Phen@lemmy.eco.br 2 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

More like a tax on weight over roads

[–] ECB@feddit.org 1 points 16 hours ago

Just make sure that it scales with weight correctly as well!

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 1 points 1 day ago

You Winsome, you Losesome.

[–] Agent641@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

I've actually learned of a way to cheat and not pay car tax at all. Sell it.

[–] HailSeitan@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Defund highways yesterday, and let’s build free public transit everywhere, but she’s right that regressive taxes aren’t the way to win the world we want. A wealth tax (or inheritance tax, or financial transactions tax, etc) would be far preferable. To miss that and adopt policies that exacerbate the cost of living crisis (even when they serve good goals) is to fail to understand the Yellow Vest protests and their lessons entirely.

I'm okay with regressive even punitive taxes on shitty things to pay for those shitty things.

[–] BigBenis@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

And then they'll complain about potholes.

[–] DakRalter@thelemmy.club 1 points 1 day ago

You Winsome, you lose some.

[–] ShinkanTrain@lemmy.ml 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Wait, she has a point, axe the tax, but completely stop spending government money on roads made for cars.

[–] Mongostein@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Does she mean registration?

[–] Screamium@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

No, in Virginia there's an annual property tax on cars

[–] Aviandelight@mander.xyz 2 points 2 days ago

I hope she means personal property tax because that's far more expensive than the registration. I actually don't mind paying the registration because the place I live actually uses it back in the community. Matter of fact during COVID the DMV was really relaxed with missed deadlines and the county even gave us a rebate when they over collected. This bitch is crazy and I really hope this petty little promise of a handout backfires on her.

Good. Let them pay tolls everywhere they go.