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UK Leftists Warnings (i.imgur.com)

submitted 8 months ago by Pro@reddthat.com to c/microblogmemes@lemmy.world

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[–] hash@slrpnk.net 62 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Legitimately sending best of luck from the US. We may be the star of the show right now but there are many fronts to this war and on the privacy/security front it's crazy that you guys somehow seem to have it worse.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today -3 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Somehow

The U.K. doesn't have rights or separation of powers like the U.S. does.

[–] Evkob@lemmy.ca 13 points 8 months ago (1 children)

The current regime in the States has shown that the US doesn't have rights or separation of powers like the US thought it did.

[–] LodeMike@lemmy.today 1 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Yes, every single law in the entire world is just words in a piece of paper.

[–] captain_aggravated@sh.itjust.works 4 points 8 months ago

Fatal flaw of democracy: Those elected have to want democracy to work for democracy to work.

[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 7 points 8 months ago

There's coming a day, very quickly, when it'll be too late, and even if we want to fight, it won't work.

[–] PotatoesFall@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 8 months ago (2 children)

What's this new lemmy instance? never heard of reddthat or redlemmy. always good to have more!

[–] Korhaka@sopuli.xyz 13 points 8 months ago

No idea but I welcome more instances because it makes it harder for my government to attack it.

[–] vivendi@programming.dev 9 points 8 months ago

These were Reddit bridges when the exodus happened

[–] klemptor@startrek.website 1 points 8 months ago

The war against terror
Like the war on crime
Is a war on anyone, anytime

- Subhumans

[+] Onomatopoeia@lemmy.cafe -39 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

"Leftist's warnings"? Perhaps 40 years ago, but it's come from both sides over the last 20, and yet leftists still pushed for this stuff, as much as anyone.

Language policing is always the tool of whoever is currently in power - they'll always use it to their advantage.

[–] Subdivide6857@midwest.social 51 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Leftists, not liberals.

[–] Chozo@fedia.io 27 points 8 months ago (2 children)

I think we need a better word than "leftist", because there's a LOT of different alignments on "the left", several of which are wildly opposed to each other in some areas. It really doesn't accurately describe somebody's stances, and is easily conflated with "anything that isn't conservative".

[–] CarbonIceDragon@pawb.social 17 points 8 months ago (1 children)

At some level its exactly that though. Conservatism generally seeks to preserve an existing social hierarchy in some way, its most mild forms seeking to slow or moderate change to it, and its most extreme forms seeking to roll back previous changes to implement some previous iteration (or what that previous iteration is perceived to be anyway). The left generally seeks to replace or dismantle that hierarchy in some way, but what exactly it is to be replaced with varies with the person or subgroup within it. (This is I think also why its prone to fighting with itself, just because two people dont like the existing thing doesnt mean that they think eachother's ideas on what to do instead will work or would be desirable, and in extreme cases the gap could be even worse than between what one wants and the existing thing, but thats another matter.) There are different words out there to describe the different alignments already, but the overarching term still gives some useful description in implying a dissatisfaction with the current order of society.

[–] LwL@lemmy.world 1 points 8 months ago

I think this mostly works with the current order of the world, but it would also mean that e.g. a white supremacist in japan is left wing (since the current social hierarchy there if anything has japanese people above the rest - and please no one twist this into me saying japan is ultra racist).

It seems more to me that a common thread for anything considered "left" is that there should be no or very little social hierarchy, whereas right wing ideologies think there should be a very strong one (be that inherently through circumstances of your birth or merit based). In reality most places do have quite a bit of social hierarchy (and used to have more) so it coincides with wanting to change the status quo.

There's probably something I'm forgetting that is considered left wing and loves hierarchies

[–] Subdivide6857@midwest.social 3 points 8 months ago

Leftists are generally in the socialist area. Anarchists are usually over in left field as well. Anyone that supports any form of capitalism isn’t on the left, such as liberals. Capitalism is where these problems come from.

[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 41 points 8 months ago* (last edited 8 months ago) (2 children)

Leftists didn't. Labour was left under Corbyn, but the right of the party undermined him and now run the country. Campaigning against immigration, cutting disability benefits over tax rises, preventing access to puberty blockers. Not providing a view on trans bathroom access after legal clarification that screwed rights. Nothing about them is economically or socially left wing.

Oh, and last 20 years have been under Tory rule minus 5 from 2005 to 2010 under a New Labour right leaning labour under Blair that Keir idolised.

I do agree the problem is autocrats though.

[–] Denjin@feddit.uk 16 points 8 months ago

There hasn't been an actually leftist government in the UK since Harold Wilson. Each successive Labour Prime Minister has been more and more aligned with Tory principals than genuine left leaning Labour principals both economically and socially.

The closest we've had would be Jeremy Corbyn but the media barons and Blairite Labour members devoted huge amounts of time and money to sabotaging him.

The SNP's social platform could broadly be described as leftist and is certainly left of Westminster, the same could be said for Welsh Labour, but economically they're still tied to Tory-liteism.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 2 points 8 months ago (1 children)

Minor correction: Blair was from 1997 to 2007, which means if we're looking at the last 20 years, it's 2005–2007. Then he's replaced by Brown, also Labour, until 2010.

[–] IcyToes@sh.itjust.works 2 points 8 months ago

You're right. Thanks.