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After the recent struggle session which resulted in

isntrael

CW: It's pretty self indulgent considering the gravity of the actual situation.

I am left disquieted due to various people who represented zionists positions directly or held space for these. Particularly (but not only) those who are admins and mods. People who think the above image is a "holocaust flag". And otherwise seem to have conjured a fictious form of anti semitism, just for deploying here.

Well OK maybe it is allowed to give people a week or a month to mull things over and reconsider their positions. But do we come back to it? Or should I just seethe with resentment, hold a grudge, and snipe about other things going forward?

On the other hand, the majority & plurality were on the correct side of things. So that's good. I just... Idk I don't expect hegemony but this is literally such a simple issue. I don't know how anyone who feels different could feel comfortable on this site. it's like learning mods/admins are triggered by a guillotine.


In some ways it could be "the fighting is so fierce because the stakes are so low". (The stakes = emojis)

But on the other hand, the stakes are so huge and this is just the scale of fighting that's near at hand.

Nobody ever accused me of being perfect and well behaved so maybe I'm just throwing stones from a glass house. I explicitly must consent to whatever critique in that regard.


I would like to suggest that on the new user signup page the question be changed to read

What are your views on GSM / LGBTQ rights, racial justice, animal liberation, isntrael, and similar movements?

Although I have no idea what sort of answers people make to these. So maybe it's stupid.


Fucking shit. People are fucking being fucking murdered right at this fucking moment.

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[โ€“] inTheShadowOf@hexbear.net 27 points 9 months ago

Some of the comments in that thread were incredibly distressing to read initially, but then seeing people double down was so awful. How do you watch a genocide go for two years and still say things like that?

[โ€“] Beetle@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago

Itโ€™s incomprehensible how mods are super sensitive to nazi dogwhistles, but regarding outright zionist positions it takes site-wide outrage to ban someone.

It confirms the US/European chauvinist bias on the site where mods and users are way more forgiving to those users with zionists brainworms than to arab users who do not share our sensitivities to US/European style nazi dogwhistles.

[โ€“] RedRook1917@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago

i-think-that I think that Zionists are bad and shouldn't be around

[โ€“] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 25 points 9 months ago (2 children)

That "holocaust flag" thing is probably the worst take I've ever seen on here

Just absolute dogshit

[โ€“] gay_king_prince_charles@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (1 children)

After seeing this, I respect Frauddogg's decision to delete void's account out of shame instead of sweeping terrible takes under the rug

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[โ€“] CutieBootieTootie@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago

Death to "Israel" isntrael

[โ€“] AssortedBiscuits@hexbear.net 17 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (3 children)

The funny thing is that the star is not even the star of David but an identical symbol called the seal of Solomon. As far as I'm aware, the star of David is just the seal of Solomon used within a Jewish context, and since the Zionist entity isn't remotely related to Judaism because Zionism isn't Judaism, then that pretty much seals the deal in terms of whether it's the star of David or the seal of Solomon, doesn't it?

And unlike the star of David, the seal of Solomon has been put on flags before. Here's some examples:

And here's perhaps the most Jewish coded seal of Solomon:

The blue and white makes you think this is actually a star of David, but nope, it's just a blue and white themed seal of Solomon. Judaism has nothing to do with the Trinidad and Tobago Police Service. There's a grand total of 55 Jewish people in a country of more than a million.

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[โ€“] durings@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Deeply unserious craKKKer website

Who would have thought theyโ€™d just try to move on from that horrendous mess and pretend like everythings fine like a bunch of liberals, the very thing they claim to despise? Oh wait, I did

[โ€“] T34_69@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago

Yup, and people still trying to tell us it's no big deal and to go outside. It's tedious.

[โ€“] Hermes@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago

At least most of the users here have taken the correct position. In all honesty, I think that most non-mod users have held this position for a while (at least as long as I have had an account) but have been afraid to advocate for their position due to moderation.

[โ€“] Cat_Daddy@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Hear hear, well said. It's weird how it just... went away.

[โ€“] RedRook1917@hexbear.net 16 points 9 months ago (2 children)

I predicted that

  • we'd update the emoji โœ…
  • z would stay banned โœ…
  • nobody would be punished โŒ
  • immediately swept under the rug โœ… 3 out of 4 ain't bad!
[โ€“] Cat_Daddy@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Well, has nakoichi or any of the other zionist mods been punished? I haven't seen such so far. You may have called a no-hitter.

[โ€“] RedRook1917@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

The zion-owl got banned, and nakoichi stepped down as a mod. There were a few others that nothing happened to though. They weren't as blatant and hid behind plausible deniability which makes it a harder case to make than profeSSer_owl.

Maybe I get a half point then?

[โ€“] Cat_Daddy@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

I didn't see that part, glad it happened.

[โ€“] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago

I think Nakoichi was demodded?

[โ€“] NewAcctWhoDis@hexbear.net 13 points 9 months ago

We were supposed to get open discussions about the ban evasion rule after the struggle session 7 months ago and there's no indication that'll happen any time soon [1] [2] so maybe in a few years.

[โ€“] BeanisBrain@hexbear.net 12 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Feeling like a combination of Danny Glover with the pizzas and the "I guess we're doing circles now" guy atm

[โ€“] hotcouchguy@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago

I'm just glad everyone is having fun

isntrael

[โ€“] Hestia@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (4 children)

I hope people realize that the person who called it a Holocaust emoji wasnโ€™t even on the mod team. Yet people are in bad faith applying that comment to mod positions

edit: apparently they called it that once and then apologies about it, the person who originally said it wasn't a mod though

If anyone has a problem with how the mod team operates, maybe they should volunteer?

fucking shit. People are fucking being murdered right at this fucking moment

Maybe we should stop arguing about a fucking emoji then. At the end of the day itโ€™s all performative. Maybe put your energy someplace else, organize, protest, or redacted-1 redacted-2 instead

[โ€“] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago) (26 children)

I hope people realize that the person who called it a Holocaust emoji wasnโ€™t even on the mod team. Yet people are in bad faith applying that comment to mod positions

The first person who called it a "holocaust emoji" was not a mod, but a mod/admin did pick it up and used it.

So you're just wrong here.

Maybe we should stop arguing about a fucking emoji then. At the end of the day itโ€™s all performative. Maybe put your energy someplace else, organize, protest, or instead

It's no more "performative" than you pretending that you don't care and are above it all shrug-outta-hecks

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[โ€“] NewAcctWhoDis@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I hope people realize that the person who called it a Holocaust emoji wasnโ€™t even on the mod team. Yet people are in bad faith applying that comment to mod positions

https://hexbear.net/comment/6421651

Admin and moderator of c/slop, wtf are you talking about?

[โ€“] durings@hexbear.net 12 points 9 months ago

Like I said, deeply deeply unserious

[โ€“] T34_69@hexbear.net 14 points 9 months ago (1 children)

I hope people realize that the person who called it a Holocaust emoji wasnโ€™t even on the mod team. Yet people are in bad faith applying that comment to mod positions

I don't really have the energy to dig into this again but people should know that this is actually not true. A site admin called it the holocaust emoji and then apologized for it later, calling it a glib comment. I'm not trying to target anyone or call anyone out in particular, it's just that it's an alarming echo of Zionist talking points that I encounter regularly IRL and I think it's an indication that some of the people running this site need to self-critique.

Which again, if the emoji is really not a big deal then why the intense pushback and accusations of anti-semitism over it? And it turns out, a few dozen pixels were actually a lightning rod for reactionary tendencies, I mean, charitably speaking, it revealed that some people with mod powers are accidentally tailing Zionism, which, I don't understand how that's not concerning in August 2025.

[โ€“] durings@hexbear.net 13 points 9 months ago (1 children)

Because pushback from minority users with actual support and evidence = wow you must be making things up + wasting your time when you could be doing REAL activism!! No way you can multitask

But itโ€™s okay when they do it, they must know better than us because crakkker

[โ€“] T34_69@hexbear.net 13 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Online crakkkers shoving Zionist talking points down your throat: No big deal, recreational shitposting

Online em/poc pushing back: a complete waste of everyone's time and fuck you, go outside!!!

[โ€“] Hermes@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago

I. NO INVESTIGATION, NO RIGHT TO SPEAK

Unless you have investigated a problem, you will be deprived of the right to speak on it. Isn't that too harsh? Not in the least. When you have not probed into a problem, into the present facts and its past history, and know nothing of its essentials, whatever you say about it will undoubtedly be nonsense. Talking nonsense solves no problems, as everyone knows, so why is it unjust to deprive you of the right to speak? Quite a few comrades always keep their eyes shut and talk nonsense, and for a Communist that is disgraceful. How can a Communist keep his eyes shut and talk nonsense?

[โ€“] CredibleBattery@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago

it's been 4 days and it still hurts, there's a Z-shaped hole in my heart that drugs and alcohol just won't fill

[โ€“] LangleyDominos@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago (3 children)

Since we're going to re-litigate this whole thing again, just keep in mind of something. We have at least one person on this site who is being starved. They have had actual bombs from IDF dropped on their house and neighborhood. Everything normal, including being able to regularly post on this site, has been taken from them (someone posts on their behalf iirc).

No emoji is going to make them feel better. The fight for their life and the cause of their pain is far removed from whatever happened or will happen on this site.

[โ€“] Ram_The_Manparts@hexbear.net 11 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

No emoji is going to make them feel better.

True, but that's not really the issue here, is it.

The issue is that certain people on this site put the feelings of genociders above the lives of the genocided.

And they deserve to be called out for that.

[โ€“] T34_69@hexbear.net 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

Good point and I agree ๐Ÿ’ฏ on principle. Are you going to post this same comment on all the other threads burying those mutual aid requests? If not, why this thread in particular?

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[โ€“] Blakey@hexbear.net 9 points 9 months ago

While we're at it, can we please not have anyone in a position of authority who would call it a "holocaust emoji"? Because that is some hardcore genocide apologist shit and it shouldn't be welcome here.

https://hexbear.net/comment/6421651

[โ€“] veniasilente@lemmy.dbzer0.com 8 points 9 months ago (2 children)

isntrael

Good one. Calls to attention that Israel is actually just an hallucinated country (the first one that I can recall of), much like all the shit that AIs come up with. It was invented out of over-accommodating for pity, and in terms of being a country should rightfully be treated as such.

[โ€“] MLRL_Commie@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago

Not out of pity, that's another Zionist lie that people accept out of good faith. It was founded by Zionists as a settler colony with absolutely no pity, and supported by anti-semites as a place to send away their unwanted Jewish population. You could say the UN resolution of 48 was maybe over accommodating for pity. But the Zionist settler colony is older than that one resolution

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