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hey everyone. if you want to post links or discuss the Reddit blackout today, please localize it to this thread in order to keep things tidy! Thanks!

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[–] Kwakigra@beehaw.org 3 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I don't care about fixing Reddit and I don't care about teaching Reddit a lesson. I don't care if the site buckles or continues to hold on and grow while they regulalry downgrade their service as they have been doing for the 10 years I've been an active user. No protest of anything Reddit has done has ever caused Reddit to reconsider what they're doing. Reddit does not care about anything because it's not a person. It's a business entity which will attempt by any means to maximise profit. Having a functional website or having human users or moderation at all are not strictly necessary to secure investment or generate ad revenue. Doing what investors want them to do, regardless of the actual effect it may have long-term, is what will get them investment now. That is more important to Reddit than everything else put together. There's no mastermind, no one's at the wheel, no idiot is unilaterally making decisions like a king. There's only the inevitable consequences of the collective decisions of businesspeople participating in corporate capitalism.

The main reason I don't care is that I don't have to care anymore. The Fediverse has been a breath of fresh air after a very long time.

[–] Poot@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

No reason to go back and every reason not to. The Fediverse is my home now.

[–] ulu_mulu@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I don't care about fixing reddit either, I don't care if it lives or dies, not anymore, tho it wouldn't be bad IMO teaching the CEO a lesson in humility.

[–] Nosferatu@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Hard to teach humility to a dude who is surrounded by institutional investors funneling millions into his pockets.

But yeah I hope this is ruining his sleep

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[–] TheiaTheMoonMaker@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (5 children)

AskHistorians is taking the approach of “blackout for two days, then read-only moving forward indefinitely.” I think that’s a good approach as it still removes the functionality of the subreddit while reminding people of what they’re missing out on due to the admins’ actions.

I know there are bigger subs, but AskHistorians is an absolute jewel in Reddit’s crown. For all the dumpster fire subs that raise controversy and drag Reddit’s image down, AskHistorians is the one sub that could always be pointed to as a sub with an inarguably positive impact. It’s also a sub in a unique position because its moderators are probably the hardest for Reddit to replace, because many of them are the historians that answer the questions, or have personal relationships with those that do. In addition most of the historians aren’t really Redditors, participating only on AskHistorians. Removing the current mod team and replacing them would absolutely 100% kill the sub forever.

Not that I have any faith in Reddit to do the right thing. I just think it’s interesting to realize just how different of a position AskHistorians in than the rest of the subreddits, being at the same time more impactful than their subscriber numbers show, while being fragile enough to be permanently broken if handled poorly. They are also one of the only mod teams I’ve see who have issued a list of actionable goals that Reddit can address.

Also it’s interesting to see that their participation in the blackout is almost entirely on Spez’s head. That’s some damn fine CEOing there, Lou.

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[–] Dan_Rachevaski@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (7 children)

This is just my personal opinion. The 2 day blackout for me, never meant for people to pack their bags and leave Reddit entirely. It's not a very easy task to do, and honestly, there is still lots of contents and friends back in reddit. Reddit can be sure that lots of people will simply come back, and spez will grinning while working his way to his beloved IPO.

However, the 2 day blackout has opened a new world of alternatives to Reddit. Now people know other places and other communities that can replace Reddit as a whole. Yes, Reddit will still be an influential website. Yes, Reddit will still be money driven. Yes, spez will not budge. But we can.

To me, Reddit will not crash, burn and crushed to ash. But rather, it's either went the FB way, relying to lots of ads and older demographics to sustain, or simply becoming Myspace or Digg, a distant memory that's only in name.

Just my 1/2 cents.

[–] gapbetweenus@feddit.de 1 points 2 years ago

Reddit relies on user generated content, so it if the few users who actually generate entertaining stuff take their business elsewhere it will go the way of Myspace and DIgg. Because there is already a Facebook for old people.

[–] ulu_mulu@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

relying to lots of ads and ~~older demographics~~ low-literacy masses to sustain

FIFY

Among the "older demographics" there are the most "nerdy" people, those born when personal computers and the internet didn't exist, those growing up together with technology, used to a world when corporations didn't destroy the good of sharing knowledge.

Those are the people most likely to rebel to what reddit is doing and find their way out if it, because they know it's possible, because they've seen it before.

Youngest people are used to how the world is nowadays because it's all they've seen, but they can be shown the difference if they're willing to listen.

Low-literacy masses are those who don't listen because they don't care, people of that sort exist in every age "range" and are unfortunately the majority of content "consumers", that's why Facebook(/Instagram/WhatsApp) doesn't die, and Reddit won't either most probably.

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[–] skepticalifornia@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

The blackout is definitely having an impact on Reddit traffic, especially the level of commenting on posts. Look at https://blackout.photon-reddit.com/ and the posts and comments per minute. The comments are usually up to the top or above the number of posts and they are way down. Posts overall are way down as well.

[–] dirac_field@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Hmmm the effect is not as dramatic as I was anticipating. Am I reading this right? Say the daily average in comments/minute is around 5k: seems the average today is around 4k. A 20% dip only. Not much compared to 50+% of the subreddits going dark :(

[–] skepticalifornia@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yes, but most of the traffic is from people going to the front page and seeing /all (this is what I read yesterday, I am assuming it is correct). My guess is most visitors who use Reddit's apps or go in through the browser are not participating in the blackout, or maybe don't care, so there will still be a large number of posts. The people supporting the blackout likely make up a large percentage of users who comment on new posts, and that is way down. I'm seeing a lot of posts, but far fewer comments on those posts.

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[–] Powderhorn@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

It's unclear how useful aggregate post and comment totals are in terms of measuring the effect of the blackout on content.

I feel comfortable saying that 80% of Reddit content on my subscribed subreddits has no impact on my day or understanding of life. Thus, the question becomes what 20% has been lost.

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[–] GiantBasil@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I just checked reddark over 8400 subreddits are down, pretty much all of the big ones are closed down, that's crazy! I only had one reddit brain fart today and caught myself before, so I have no idea how things are there, but I do miss all the nature, castles and sculptures pictures from the stuff I followed.

[–] thefloatingpoint@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (7 children)

Yeah, I had that moment yesterday. Sat on the toilet and immediately opened Apollo. Closed it a second later. Won’t happen anymore after Apollo is gone, tho.

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[–] VioletteRei@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Lemmy.ml is down. My main account is there, which is the one I use to moderate everything. I will try to migrate my account from one instance to another because lemmy.ml is not stable

[–] twistedtxb@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (3 children)

That's an unfortunate timing. They should have locked registrations before accepting too much traffic

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[–] Damaniel@lemmy.world 0 points 2 years ago (14 children)

I'm glad to see there's been more of a push for previously '48 hours only' subreddits to move to an indefinite blackout - but I wish that more of them had committed earlier. That leaked internal email shows exactly what I already expected; they just see the protesting Redditors as a bunch of whiny babies who they expect to give up after a couple days and forget the whole thing.

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[–] tom@feddit.uk 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Only thing I’ve missed about Reddit is googling stuff by adding Reddit on the end of it! Ironically most of the stuff has been around server stuff for my Lemmy instance

[–] spoonful@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

You can still do that, just pipe it through archive.is or just go there. You're not giving Reddit much with your page view.

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