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NYPD Commissioner Tisch’s brother calls Mamdani ‘enemy’ of Jewish people at charity dinner (archive.ph)

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Benjamin Tisch’s shot at Mamdani during the Met Council gala comes just two weeks after his sister accepted Mamdani’s offer to remain at the helm of the NYPD.

“The two of us will not shy away from the fact that we hold disagreements on certain issues … but I also believe that these disagreements are not only reconcilable, but they are the sign of a healthy partnership to come,” the mayor-elect said in an interview with The News last month.

These are the kind of ghouls you want to work with if your plan is to sabotage yourself out of the gate. clown gun-hubris

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[–] Awoo@hexbear.net 48 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Mamdani is making the same mistake Corbyn made with the Labour right.

He should purge every single last person that would be unloyal. They will all work against him behind the scenes otherwise.

[–] theuniqueone@lemmy.dbzer0.com 40 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Mamdani refusal to act against Tisch and her private army should have laid to rest any "leftists" hope of him enacting any real policy that could challenge the status quo.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 28 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

This is my stance on Mamdani. I don't really care about the latest thing he did or did not do, because he's already done enough to prove to me that he'll ultimately be ineffective. It sucks, but it's entryism.

[–] MarxMadness@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I'm pretty much the opposite. Until he actually gets into office, we're just talking about takes.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Until he actually gets into office, we're just talking about takes.

He has committed to keeping Tisch as commissioner, that's not just a take.

[–] MarxMadness@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago (1 children)

As others have pointed out, if you're going to piss off the police, at least get in power first. His commitment isn't indefinite, either, and firing her after an inevitable police screw-up could better minimize reaction.

[–] SickSemper@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago

Why does it matter if you piss of the police day 1 or a couple months before?

[–] Le_Wokisme@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago (1 children)

he's not in office yet and he needs to not get murdered by them lmao

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 23 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Then he should probably not leave the person who seems to want him and everyone like him dead in charge of them lol.

[–] MemesAreTheory@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Yeah great point firing her should be a priority when he has the legal authority to do so.

Would you want your enemies to know you're coming for them? Or would you prefer them to be at ease?

I'm agnostic on the matter. It's to be determined as far as I'm concerned. Some people say it's to avoid a kind of first strike from the police, others say it's obvious lib shit. Could literally be either at this point so all we're doing is arguing about something we'll have definitive evidence for soon enough.

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

I'm agnostic on the matter. It's to be determined as far as I'm concerned. Some people say it's to avoid a kind of first strike from the police, others say it's obvious lib shit. Could literally be either at this point so all we're doing is arguing about something we'll have definitive evidence for soon enough.

That's fair. It's just that all the arguments for why it doesn't matter that he's been walking back rhetoric tend to feel like "he's hiding his power level". It makes much more sense that he was never actually very radical, and some of the people who supported him were, so that radicalism was projected onto him (not just by his supporters). I suppose, as you say, we'll see.

[–] SickSemper@hexbear.net 2 points 3 months ago (3 children)

He should have simply not chosen to rehire her. Every mayor chooses their own police commissioner, he just chose the continuity

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[–] Lussy@hexbear.net 39 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

When are prominent Jews going to speak up against Israel, the Zionists, fash with these talking points, or even say a single critical thing?

The libs love their two state solution, their both sides nonsense, right? So when will they standup? Now? Never?

And it’s going to be up to us to save them when they have their faces eaten by the leopards, isn’t it? Save them when all the marginalized people will have already been gassed, when there will even bigger existential problems to face I’m sure

[–] stink@lemmygrad.ml 43 points 3 months ago

Some do, but a majority of Jewish institutions have been captured by zionist influence.

My partner's father said his school switched from teaching Yiddish to "modern hebrew" when he was a kid. It was an effort to replace Jewish culture and heritage into a bastardized language for a state that is younger than my grandmother.

This was all by design. The zionist entity spent massive amounts of resources to influence Jewish institutions across the US to promote the zionist ideology, overall it was a success. Polling consistently shows a significant amount of western Jews (86%, IIRC) have unconditional support for the zionist entity.

This has probably dropped since last year, and anti-zionist institutions are gaining traction, denouncing zionist ethnic cleansing ("not in our name", etc.), but I have also seen a significant amount of "October 8th Jews" who became radicalized by the zionist ideology post 10/7.

Jewish individuals like Madea Benjamin, Norm Finklestein, Max Blumenthal, etc. have all been consistent with their anti-zionist rhetoric for decades, but over the past 2 years I don't think it matters what Jewish people's opinions are anyways. There are more zionist evangelicals in Amerikkka than there are Jewish. If the metric flipped, where 86% of Jewish Westerners became anti-zionist overnight, I doubt the US government would change their stance on supplying the zionist entity with weapons. Protests don't do anything, the Vietnam-War protests did nothing, the protests against the Afghanistan and Iraq wars did nothing. Non-violent protests are a pressure release valve for agitated individuals to scream their hearts out into the sky before returning to the status-quo.

[–] Maturin@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Aren't there many prominent jews saying critical things? Just off the top of my head, Naomi Klein, Norm Finkelstein, Noam Chomsky, Mandy Patinkin and his wife. Also, these 150 actors, directors, etc? https://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2024/04/09/lhqn-a09.html

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 31 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Many of those who do are prominent outside of Jewish communities (as in, prominent in general) because of their left-wing politics (some because of their anti-Israel activism, like Professor Finkelstein). It seems like Jewish institutions are dominated by Zionists - not surprising, they have all the funding and CIA backing. A similar thing happened with Ukrainian community institutions in the diaspora.

[–] SickSemper@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I don’t think there’s a single antizionist Jewish organization of meaningful size. The best you get is mealy mouthed twostatism or “peace for all” energy, never addressing the colonial nature of the state

[–] Maturin@hexbear.net 14 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

Jewish Voice for Peace has 750,000 supporters. Is that not a meaningful size?

Edit: changed "members" to "supporters" based on their annual report

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 17 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

While many members are actual anti-zionists who understand the colonial nature of Israel, JVP as an organization does not take a stance on Palestinian statehood.

[–] Maturin@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago (1 children)

JVP is explicitly anti-Zionist

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 8 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

I didn't say they were zionists (though I see I may have inadvertently implied it - not intentionally, sorry), I said they take no stance on Palestinian statehood. IIRC neither does BDS. It's just not part of the purpose/tactics of JVP, who are an organization for American Jews to oppose American support for "Israel".

Edit: coming back to this comment, you didn't say that I called them zionists so it's slightly beside the point as a direct reply to you. My bad.

[–] Maturin@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago (1 children)

I feel like this thread has evolved into a different conversation - I commented above because someone said there is no prominent Jew saying a single critical thing of Israel and Zionism (patently false). Then someone said there is not a single anti-zionist Jewish organization of meaningful size (also patently false). Now the question is whether they take a stance on Palestinian statehood, which I don't know how you can be anti-Zionist and explicitly in support of the movement led by Palestinians and interpret that as "no stance on a Palestinian state" but that is a much more nuanced question that I think it worthy of nuanced discussion (which I appreciate your comments trying to be more particular like that) but that conversation is miles away from "not a single Jew opposes Zionism" and "there are no anti-Zionist Jewish organizations."

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

Yes, I think you're right that this conversation is drifting somewhat.

To be honest, I think part of it is different definitions of "anti-zionist". Some people (including myself, mostly - see the rest of this paragraph) take that to mean "opposing the existence of Israel at all", by which definition JVP is not an anti-zionist organization. However, since they take no stance on the existence of "Israel" or the Palestinian state for tactical reasons, I think it can be argued that they are anti-zionists regardless - as is the case with many organizations and people. It all depends on context. JVP I would call anti-zionists despite taking no position of "Israel's" existence (and of course many Palestinian organizations also take no stance or support 2 states, but are clearly anti-zionists as well), some individual being interviewed on Pier Morgan I would not (for example).

I kind of started rambling, I think, so hopefully I conveyed my point well enough. To summarize: I think organizations and people who prominently work against zionism can be anti-zionists while tactically accepting or taking no position on the existence of "Israel", however a random individual (who is not actively doing work to oppose "Israel") who actually does not think "Israel" should be abolished is not an anti-zionist by definition. Certainly, anyone who defends "Israel" in any way from those who say it should be abolished is a zionist. I think JVP fits into the first of these three cases (anti-zionist organization that takes no position for tactical reasons).

It's sadly true still that anti-zionism is a very small minority viewpoint among Jewish communities, especially among those in powerful/leadership positions. It's more common, I think, to find people who don't care/are neutral, but still not in positions of power which are completely dominated by zionists (unsurprising, they get all the funding and support whereas their enemies are smeared and harassed).

[–] Maturin@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

Yeah, all fair points

[–] SickSemper@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (2 children)

I was very specific in my language, does JVP support the decolonization of Israel and an end to the Jewish state?

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago) (1 children)

does JVP support the decolonization of Israel and an end to the Jewish state

JVP takes no official stance on Palestinian statehood, it's not really part of their purpose/tactics. Neither does BDS, IIRC, so it doesn't make them zionists. JVP's purpose is to oppose American support for "Israel", since they're an American Jewish organization.

[–] Maturin@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago

They have 4 "FAQs" on their website and one of them is explicit that it is opposed to Zionism. jewishvoiceforpeace.org/about/#faq

[–] Maturin@hexbear.net 10 points 3 months ago

Yeah, in the US, the "Jewish institutions" of the 20th century all were or became Zionist institutions over time, so if anyone prominent within them turns on Israel, they get systematically excluded from institutional life. Which happens all the time.

[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 36 points 3 months ago

Keep staking out that bold campaign promise of free ~frog~ transit ~for~ ~scorpions~

[–] SickSemper@hexbear.net 32 points 3 months ago (1 children)

Idk maybe they just need a few more compromises and he’ll get the respect of the nypd and Zionists in ny

[–] BabyTurtles@hexbear.net 16 points 3 months ago

angery

[–] jack@hexbear.net 27 points 3 months ago (1 children)

But imagine if she WASN'T in charge of the world's largest domestic military! Wouldn't that be so dangerous for Mamdani?

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 21 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Imagine how dangerous it would be for him to actually act against his political opponents? Unthinkable! Then the Democrats might actually purge him, and it would be harder for him to do entryism into the "graveyard of social movements" party. deeper-sadness

[–] into_highest_invite@lemmygrad.ml 25 points 3 months ago (1 children)

if you are working for an "enemy of the jewish people" what does that make you

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 25 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

They love calling other Jewish people "kapos". Maybe the real kapo was the friends we made along the way.

[–] Euergetes@hexbear.net 22 points 3 months ago (1 children)

just fire her man

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[–] plinky@hexbear.net 20 points 3 months ago (2 children)

mamdani is robert baratheon nerd this exact thing happened in game of thrones

[–] Blakey@hexbear.net 15 points 3 months ago (1 children)

rly mks u thnk

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 7 points 3 months ago (1 children)

charismatic leader

keeps enemies close

brother hates him

every lord hates him

just wants free ~~wine~~ buses

his best pal is a washed norm enjoyer in far away frozen land

[–] CliffordBigRedDog@hexbear.net 5 points 3 months ago (2 children)

Whens mamdani gonna get incredibly fat

[–] ElChapoDeChapo@hexbear.net 4 points 3 months ago

2nd term

[–] plinky@hexbear.net 3 points 3 months ago

what would be his breastplate stretcher soviet-hmm bodega stretcher?

[–] Carl@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

Robert managed to remain a unifying figure from the rebellion all the way up until his death, shit only went to pieces when he wasn't around anymore and his successors started fucking things up. There were a lot of schemers in his court to be sure but he slapped them down whenever they got too threatening.

[–] footfaults@lemmygrad.ml 16 points 3 months ago (1 children)

This is what accommodation with fascists gets you.. c'mon Mamdani use your fucking head

[–] demerit@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 3 months ago

He is. He is using it to fool you.

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago

Yeah he’s definitely Dinkins 2.0 will probably also lose reelection to a cop

[–] Assian_Candor@hexbear.net 11 points 3 months ago (1 children)

neon-fell-for-it-evangelion

[–] LeninWeave@hexbear.net 6 points 3 months ago

In this case, it appears that Mamdani is the one who fell for it.

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