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[–] dontsayaword@piefed.social 1 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 1 hour ago)

People think sure, I don't mind them knowing which songs I listen to so they can give me recs and wrapped... But Spotify isn't just tracking which songs you are listening to the most. They are tracking every location, device, phone, PC, car, network, IP, WiFi, connected devices, what other apps you have on your devices, and more. With the data they have, someone can pinpoint everywhere you've been, every minute since you got the app, even who you've been with and what mood you were in. You can request the data and it's mindblowing. It's way more than is necessary or appropriate to track to give you a top songs list once a year. And other entities, including governments and whoever bought data from their latest beaches, has it too.

[–] TheProtagonist@lemmy.world 79 points 5 days ago (1 children)

To be fair, a Service like Spotify would make absolutely no sense if they would not be tracking my listening preferences to propose me the kind of music I like.

Just listening to random stuff on the internet would be like radio in the good ol' days.

[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Exactly. When they start injecting ads for paid subscribers, fuck them…but fuck Spotify anyway for how little they pay artists.

[–] Kondeeka@lemmy.world 9 points 4 days ago (1 children)

And they support things like lunch and $100000+ donations to fascist political parties.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 5 points 4 days ago (1 children)
[–] joelfromaus@aussie.zone 7 points 4 days ago (2 children)

Wait, I support lunch! Sometimes even second lunch! Am I a fascist?? A hungry, hungry fascist.

[–] Kondeeka@lemmy.world 6 points 4 days ago

Ha, I worded it a bit weird, sorry. Spotify organised a lunch for the maga inauguration and donated 150000 to them earlier this year. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spotify?wprov=sfla1

[–] howrar@lemmy.ca 8 points 4 days ago (1 children)

You know who else regularly ate lunch? Hitler.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 103 points 5 days ago (3 children)

"tracking you"

It's their service, of course they know what you listened to.

[–] real_squids@sopuli.xyz 29 points 5 days ago (2 children)

They also collect a bunch of telemetry. There are ways to disable that of course

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[–] geekwithsoul@piefed.social 14 points 5 days ago (7 children)

That's sort of missing the point - there are alternatives for finding and listening to music that don't involve a "service". Choosing those is always better than having a service not only track you, but deciding what you listen to. For some reason people seem to be okay with Spotify despite the mountains of red flags.

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 21 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Deciding what you listen to is a feature, you can just choose a playlist and go about your day.

[–] Iheartcheese@lemmy.world 22 points 5 days ago (2 children)

And I have discovered some amazing shit letting Spotify 'decide what I listen to'

[–] Ilovethebomb@sh.itjust.works 9 points 5 days ago

I use YouTube music, but same here.

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[–] FishFace@piefed.social 15 points 5 days ago (13 children)

"always better"? Really?

Maybe you can use that brain of yours to imagine why people use and like the service rather than assuming they must have the exact same preferences as you but just be idiots

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[–] njm1314@lemmy.world 9 points 5 days ago (1 children)

"That's sort of missing the point..."

Boy now that's the single best encapsulation of Lemmy comments I think I've ever seen.

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[–] Marinatorres@lemmy.world 8 points 4 days ago

Accurate: they turned ‘surveillance’ into ‘personalized vibes.’ Best branding trick is making people feel like the tracking is for them.

[–] Foni@lemmy.zip 36 points 5 days ago (1 children)

They don't personalize it by user, but it's usually fun to watch Pornhub's annual summary.

[–] dalekcaan@feddit.nl 17 points 5 days ago

Missed opportunity tbh

[–] invictvs@lemmy.world 29 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (2 children)

Using usage data to improve user experience and similarly worded sentences are in pretty much every apps "Terms of Service". They record what music I have listened to and compile playlist for me, so what? In similar manner navigation apps like Waze collect data about your driving habits to offer better routes.

It becomes an issue when:

  1. They collect data irrelevant to the user experience or not connected in any way to the services the company provides.
  2. They record activity for people who don't even have an account through third parties (looking at you Meta)
  3. They scan every local network I connect to and collect detailed information (again... Meta)
  4. They sell the data about what I listened and/or any other collected data to third parties
  5. They use the data to train LLMs without my knowledge and approval, or opt me in by default and bury the option to opt out of this deep in the settings.

I haven't used Spotify for a long time, but I use YouTube. YouTube ticks most boxes of that list. I bet Waze do too, and Spotify maybe. That are for me the problematic areas we need to be discussing. Collecting data is not entirely bad. It is a good thing when that data is handled only in the user's interest, it's bad when it's being abused, which unfortunately is the norm rather than exception nowadays.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 22 points 5 days ago

Exactly. Lemmy users have got so hyper focused on privacy they seem to have forgotten why it's important, and treat it as a goal in its own right.

Every time you interact with anyone, they learn something about you. That's not usually cause for concern, so it needs to be a little bit more nuanced.

[–] 4grams@awful.systems 4 points 4 days ago

I agree with you but the problem is that the incentives to collect data responsibly are FAR outweighed by financial benefits of doing it, and the barrier to entry is not much larger. So, when the vast majority of data collection is abusive, and the incentive structure is there to ensure it continues to go that way, folks are understandably upset to hear about ANY data collection these days.

[–] stringere@sh.itjust.works 13 points 4 days ago

Steam review, too.

[–] Blackmist@feddit.uk 16 points 4 days ago

Is like to see the Wrapped for my 1273 trusted data partners.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 10 points 4 days ago

Last.fm was obviously first.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 22 points 5 days ago (1 children)

Spotify isn't the only tech company with a personalised yearly wrap-up. Not even close...

[–] Prunebutt@slrpnk.net 28 points 5 days ago (2 children)

But I think they did it first (or at least they made it popular)

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[–] paultimate14@lemmy.world 11 points 4 days ago (3 children)

I mean, even back in the day of listening to local .mp3s on my desktop. I'm pretty sure at least some of the software I used (Windows Media Player, Music Match Jukebox, probably others I can't remember) kept track of the title number of listens. I definitely remember going through and looking from time to time out of curiosity.

I also just love data and analysis. I love keeping track of things. I love sparking my memory, using data like this to remember a song I loved for like 3 weeks 8 months ago and forgot about.

I hate Spotify for a variety of other reasons. Once I've accumulated enough CD's or direct downloads to have a good sized library again i'm going to cancel it. But I do hope that whatever locally hosted open-source software I use for that will have tracking and analysis tools because it's fun.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 7 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Humans have a soft spot for collecting data. We have had people counting "how many black spots do I see looking directly at the sun" daily since 1749.

[–] MountingSuspicion@reddthat.com 2 points 3 days ago (1 children)

For a moment I thought you meant that there's a group of people looking at the sun and counting black spots that persist in their vision after doing so, then I realized how dumb that was and that you probably were talking about sun spots. That moment of confusion really got me going though.

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

Admit it, you wanted to see the data during that moment.

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[–] FartMaster69@lemmy.dbzer0.com 15 points 5 days ago
[–] TheKingBombOmbKiller@lemmy.zip 13 points 5 days ago

I really like how Letterboxd used their big data. By using the Watchlist (the to-watch list of movies users wants to see) of everyone, they can find movies a lot of people want to watch, but it's impossible to stream and very challenging to buy, and license those movies for their online rental store.

[–] Zagorath@aussie.zone 12 points 5 days ago (1 children)

TranscriptionTweet by "delia" @delia_ai:

spotify the only tech company to figure out how to successfully rebrand "we've been tracking you" to "isn't this FUN"

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[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 9 points 5 days ago* (last edited 5 days ago) (3 children)

In their defense, for a while there, they were the best algorithm out there. It was actually really good. Not anymore. It's fucking awful. One of the worst shuffles I've ever seen, super repetitive and actually insulting suggestions.

But also, everybody should dump Spotify for a shit ton of ethical and political reasons.

[–] sem@piefed.blahaj.zone 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

I remember when Pandora was originally great

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[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

I'm like I've of the few people that didn't use Spotify I guess. After Google music went away I tried it, god it sucked. I dropped it in 2 weeks. Between Amazon music and Sirius xm I get the music I want.

[–] Mr_Dr_Oink@lemmy.world 3 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Putting aside spotify being a bad company in general. What is it about the app itself that makes it so bad in your opinion? I ask this as someone who hasn't used any other modern platform, wondering what i am missing by using spotify.

[–] titanicx@lemmy.zip 3 points 4 days ago (2 children)

And honestly it's been probably 3 or 4 years since I've used and maybe even longer than that but I just remember how annoying it was the fact that I could not find the music that I wanted to find the fact that the radio stations they had and the playlist they had were limited and overall I just got really sick and tired of fucking around with it compared to the ease of use that I can get out of Amazon music I'll absolutely bloody simple Google music was and how spot on Sirius XM has been for me as far as finding music when I'm driving and I don't need to worry about playlists or any of that other shit. I'm not one that often will go through and want to listen to certain music as opposed to listening to certain bands or more likely just turn genres. Overall I found Spotify pretty crap-tastic and I really couldn't understand why everybody absolutely loved that platform. And I still don't understand it.

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[–] MuteDog@lemmy.world 4 points 4 days ago (1 children)

Pretty sure last.fm has been around a lot longer than spotify

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