In a post-October 7th world, the counter is simply "so where are the goddamn bodies then?" It takes less than a minute to find hundreds of photos and videos of Palestinian kids with their brains falling out of their blown off skulls and Palestinians carrying bags of viscera of what's left of their murdered relatives. Xinjiang is more than 4500 times larger than Gaza, so there should be around 4k more footage of genocide in Xinjiang if there was an actual genocide.

"B-b-but cultural genocide" Cultural genocide always follows or is concurrent with genocide genocide because people never willingly surrender their culture without putting up a fight first, which means the people most able to put up a fight have to be exterminated first in order for cultural genocide to actually work. So where are the goddamn bodies then?

"B-b-but seeseepee surveillance state" More than the Zionist entity being a surveillance state itself and pioneer of surveillance technology? The Zionist entity has completely surrounded Gaza as an open prison, which is very easy to do when Palestinians are crammed into a rectangle that's only 365 km^2. Nothing goes in or out without the Zionist entity's knowledge (except for paragliders apparently lmao) and yet we still see footage of dead Palestinians every day. So where are the goddamn bodies then?

Strongest starting point is asking where all the evidence of genocide is in a country with 80% smartphone ownership and a land size of 1666 million square kilometers.

If Israel can't prevent evidence of genocide in a land size of 22000 square kilometers and a lower smartphone ownership rate, why believe that China could? Where is all the video evidence of atrocities? Do they believe the Chinese is capable of omnipresent ability to prevent and delete video on people's phones? Nonsense.

Really start with challenging them to think critically about this. You don't need massive posts of cited content. You need people to use basic critical thinking. They have seen what evidence a real genocide produces, they can use this experience to realise something is wrong about Xinjiang claims.

Once they do accept that there's obviously something wrong with that. Then move onto longer cited debunks, it is a much better mental state to begin from.

In addition to the advice that you've already received, my suggestion is that you be ready for him to pivot from genocide to "cultural genocide." Even taking it completely at face value, it's a ridiculous talking point in the sense that cultural genocide is awful but it is not at all the same thing as actual genocide, yet people say it to avoid looking like they are significantly backtracking when no, these assholes were talking about systemic mass murder before and that just evaporated into thin air.

I do think the PRC took repressive measures that weren't all justified, but trying to equate that with genocide with nebulous, vibes based bullshit or sly little word games is unspeakably disgusting.

I have a new friend who is good on Palestine but awful on Xinjiang.

If he's at all equating these two things, then I'd argue that he is not good on Palestine.

In all the time it’s supposedly been happening there has not been a single piece of evidence that it actually is beyond blurry screenshots with no context. If Israel can’t even hide their genocide then there is not a fucking chance that the nation with the highest population, highest level of surveillance and highest level of phone ownership can hide one, not to mention Xinjiang literally being a popular tourist destination.

Also the Uyghurs and other ethnic minorities were excluded from the one child policy specifically to prevent an ethnic cleansing.

The CIA was just pissed because the CPC expelled foreign hate preachers and de-radicalized Uighurs, taught them work skills and found them jobs, like any good socialists. The CIA was planning on using their base in Afghanistan to form them into an army to march on Beijing. If the CPC slaughtered them on the way, so much the better, much propaganda to be made from that too.

Is this still a thing? I thought they dropped it during the Biden Admin

looking for something well-sourced or he'd probably disregard it

90% chance that, to him, "well-sourced" means "reputable" western outlet/organization. You won't find any "reputable" western outlet/organization doing this debunking. You can't play their game and win, it's their game (them = western propaganda apparatus). The illusion of diversity of opinion and accessibility to transparent information in the west is just that, an illusion.

The most glaring case of this has been Palestine. All western organizations, NGOs, media and governments have claimed for 80 years that what's going on in Palestine is, at best, "a very long dispute between two cultures and religions and a very difficult topic that you shouldn't try to understand". It has taken the spread of smartphones and the smuggling of literal thousands of videos showing material evidence of the genocide outside Palestine, and its dissemination on non-US-controlled social media (TikTok at the beginning of the recent intensification of the genocide) and its spread to other social media afterwards for the majority of western people to wake up. And only after the waking up of a sizeable amount of people, have some western NGOs started to push for the recognition of the genocide.

You won't find this "reputable" source because "reputable" is already a biased term in favour of western hegemony.

The whole challenge of this issue is how often people expect you to prove a negative, which rigs the debate instantly. If you prove something isn't there by looking there then it might just be somewhere else, this is why the burden of proof lies on the accuser. If he can understand why it's his job to find the real proof and your job to weight the credibility of said proof then you can start having a productive conversation

Right here comrade.

There's also several links pinned in the side bar which you may find helpful.

A person needs to stop thinking like a liberal. There's no such a thing as a trustworthy source, only consistently truthful and verifiable source. It's basic science, it requires collaboration. You need to accept that you can be proven wrong at any time, that nothing is absolute.

But we don't do that, we make a news channel for Opinion A and news channel for opinion B and have them fight each other.

If the only thing that matters is changing an aspect of what they believe in, then yeah, find Gospels that agree with the worldview you're trying to push. But be prepared that they might find even more of them that disagree with your world view.

Why is the west oh so concerned about the region? Who benifiets? What is the typical pattern of western concern in a nation?

Xinjang has a lot of oil under it and the people have links to NATOil infested Turkey. The same Turkey that helped NATOil install a terrorist as head of state, much to delight.

China discovers oil field with one billion tons of reserves in Junggar Basin in Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region

It would really benefit the petroldollar / NATOil nations if they coud wedge off a major oil and gas resource and get a buffer bulkanization between China and Russia, 2 major economic competitors to the Petroldollar.

Oil extracted under RMB is profits not in Petroldollars, and devalues Petroldollars.

But NATOil focus grouped "We want to forcefully bulkanize China to suck it's oil and profits for ourselves. Then have a friendly buffer state to grow more chaos between China and Russia." And found that was a hard sell. So like they always do - try to make it a human appeal to manufacture a justification for military action.

Behind the U.S. anti-China campaign

Here's one https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ff4YZBi4UTc

I found a YouTube link in your post. Here are links to the same video on alternative frontends that protect your privacy:

• yewtu.be
• inv.nadeko.net
• yt.artemislena.eu
• piped.video