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Across the world schools are wedging AI between students and their learning materials; in some countries greater than half of all schools have already adopted it (often an "edu" version of a model like ChatGPT, Gemini, etc), usually in the name of preparing kids for the future, despite the fact that no consensus exists around what preparing them for the future actually means when referring to AI.

Some educators have said that they believe AI is not that different from previous cutting edge technologies (like the personal computer and the smartphone), and that we need to push the "robots in front of the kids so they can learn to dance with them" (paraphrasing a quote from Harvard professor Houman Harouni). This framing ignores the obvious fact that AI is by far, the most disruptive technology we have yet developed. Any technology that has experts and developers alike (including Sam Altman a couple years ago) warning of the need for serious regulation to avoid potentially catastrophic consequences isn't something we should probably take lightly. In very important ways, AI isn't comparable to technologies that came before it.

The kind of reasoning we're hearing from those educators in favor of AI adoption in schools doesn't seem to have very solid arguments for rushing to include it broadly in virtually all classrooms rather than offering something like optional college courses in AI education for those interested. It also doesn't sound like the sort of academic reasoning and rigorous vetting many of us would have expected of the institutions tasked with the important responsibility of educating our kids.

ChatGPT was released roughly three years ago. Anyone who uses AI generally recognizes that its actual usefulness is highly subjective. And as much as it might feel like it's been around for a long time, three years is hardly enough time to have a firm grasp on what something that complex actually means for society or education. It's really a stretch to say it's had enough time to establish its value as an educational tool, even if we had come up with clear and consistent standards for its use, which we haven't. We're still scrambling and debating about how we should be using it in general. We're still in the AI wild west, untamed and largely lawless.

The bottom line is that the benefits of AI to education are anything but proven at this point. The same can be said of the vague notion that every classroom must have it right now to prevent children from falling behind. Falling behind how, exactly? What assumptions are being made here? Are they founded on solid, factual evidence or merely speculation?

The benefits to Big Tech companies like OpenAI and Google, however, seem fairly obvious. They get their products into the hands of customers while they're young, potentially cultivating their brands and products into them early. They get a wealth of highly valuable data on them. They get to maybe experiment on them, like they have previously been caught doing. They reinforce the corporate narratives behind AI — that it should be everywhere, a part of everything we do.

While some may want to assume that these companies are doing this as some sort of public service, looking at the track record of these corporations reveals a more consistent pattern of actions which are obviously focused on considerations like market share, commodification, and bottom line.

Meanwhile, there are documented problems educators are contending with in their classrooms as many children seem to be performing worse and learning less.

The way people (of all ages) often use AI has often been shown to lead to a tendency to "offload" thinking onto it — which doesn't seem far from the opposite of learning. Even before AI, test scores and other measures of student performance have been plummeting. This seems like a terrible time to risk making our children guinea pigs in some broad experiment with poorly defined goals and unregulated and unproven technologies which may actually be more of an impediment to learning than an aid in their current form.

This approach has the potential to leave children even less prepared to deal with the unique and accelerating challenges our world is presenting us with, which will require the same critical thinking skills which are currently being eroded (in adults and children alike) by the very technologies being pushed as learning tools.

This is one of the many crazy situations happening right now that terrify me when I try to imagine the world we might actually be creating for ourselves and future generations, particularly given personal experiences and what I've heard from others. One quick look at the state of society today will tell you that even we adults are becoming increasingly unable to determine what's real anymore, in large part thanks to the way in which our technologies are influencing our thinking. Our attention spans are shrinking, our ability to think critically is deteriorating along with our creativity.

I am personally not against AI, I sometimes use open source models and I believe that there is a place for it if done correctly and responsibly. We are not regulating it even remotely adequately. Instead, we're hastily shoving it into every classroom, refrigerator, toaster, and pair of socks, in the name of making it all smart, as we ourselves grow ever dumber and less sane in response. Anyone else here worried that we might end up digitally lobotomizing our kids?

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 72 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Already seeing this in some junior devs.

[–] tidderuuf@lemmy.world 29 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Meanwhile Junior Devs: "Why will no one hire me?!?!"

[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

There is a funny two-way filtering going on in here.

Job applications are auto-rejected unless they go over how "AI will reshape the future and I am so excited" as if it's linkedin.

Then the engineers that do the interviews want people interested in learning about computers through years of hard work and experience?

Just doesn't work out.

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[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Ths seniors can tell. And even if you make it into the job, itll be pretty obvious the first couple of days.

[–] kescusay@lemmy.world 30 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I interview juniors regularly. I can't wait until the first time I interview a "vibe coder" who thinks they're a developer, but can't even tell me what a race condition is or the difference between synchronous and asynchronous execution.

That's going to be a red letter day, lemme tell ya.

[–] itsathursday@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago

“Would you say I have a decorator on this function?”

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[–] killabeezio@lemmy.world 20 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Recently had to lay someone off because they just weren't producing the work that needed to be done. Even the simplest of tasks.

I would be like we need to remove/delete these things. That's it. It took some time because you had to just do some comparison and research, but it was a super difficult task for them.

I would then give them something more technical, like write this script and it was mostly ok, but much better work than the simple tasks I would give.

Then I would get AI slop and I would ask WTF are you thinking here. Why are you doing this? They couldn't give a good answer because they didn't actually do the work. They would just have LLMs do all their work for them and if it requires them to do any sort of thinking, they would fail miserably.

Even in simple PR reviews, I would leave at least 10 comments just going back and forth. Got to the point where it was just easier if I would have done it myself. I tried to mentor them and guide them along, but it just wasn't getting through to them.

I don't mind the use of LLMs, but use it as a tool, not a crutch. You should be able to produce the thing you are giving the llm to produce for you.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 13 points 1 week ago

Same. My guy couldnt authenticate a user against a password hash, even after i gave him the source code. Its like copying homework - you just shoot yourself in the foot for later.

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[–] undrwater@lemmy.world 54 points 2 weeks ago (13 children)

I spent some years in classrooms as a service provider when Wikipedia was all the rage. Most districts had a "no Wikipedia" policy, and required primary sources.

My kids just graduated high school, and they were told NOT to use LLM's (though some of their teachers would wink). Their current college professors use LLM detection software.

AI and Wikipedia are not the same, though. Students are better off with Wikipedia as they MIGHT read the references.

Still, those students who WANT to learn will not be held back by AI.

[–] otter@lemmy.ca 46 points 2 weeks ago (5 children)

I always saw the rules against Wikipedia to be around citations (and accuracy in the early years), rather than it harming learning. It's not that different from other tertiary sources like textbooks or encyclopedias. It's good for learning a topic and the interacting pieces, but you need to then search for primary/secondary sources relevant to the topic you are writing about.

Generative AI however

  • is a text prediction engine that often generates made up info, and then students learn things wrong
  • does the writing for the students, so they don't actually have to read or understand anything
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[–] avidamoeba@lemmy.ca 17 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Still, those students who WANT to learn will not be held back by AI.

Our society probably won't survive if only the students who want to learn do so. 😔

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[–] SoftestSapphic@lemmy.world 51 points 1 week ago (3 children)

AI highlights a problem with universities that we have been ignoring for decades already, which is that learning is not the point of education, the point is to get a degree with as little effort as possible, because that's the only valueable thing to take away from education in our current society.

[–] T156@lemmy.world 9 points 1 week ago

I'd argue schooling in general. Instead of being something you do because you want to and enjoy it, it's instead a thing you have to do either because you don't have the qualifications for a promotion, or you need the qualifications for an entry-level position.

People that are there because they enjoy study, or want to learn more are arguably something of a minority.

Naturally if you're there because you have to be, you're not going to put much, if any effort in, and will look to take what shortcuts you can.

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[–] ArgumentativeMonotheist@lemmy.world 34 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I've been online enough to know they weren't thinking before either.

[–] anzo@programming.dev 11 points 1 week ago

This. (Offline too.)

Which generation did we really taught critical thinking to? In general, those "thinkers" or people with nice research skills (e.g. reading comprehension and other traits) were always a minority within each generation. And I agree there will be less now with AI. But we have no polls or measurement, so the title goes a little clickbaity, in resonance to the generalized discomfort towards a new technology that schools haven't accomodated yet (e.g. all kind of solutions are seen in the wild)

I reckon it was the same with arithmetislcs and calculators in the past. We were able to deal with that! (so that whatever proportion of people that graduates knowing arithmetics with each generation didn't shrink "too much".)

If we are considering possible scenarios, let's be optimistic too.

AI (discounting other problems like their ecological footprint) may not be that bad on our educational systems once we adjust...

[–] tehn00bi@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (7 children)

I just keep seeing in my head when John Connor says “we’re not going to make it, are we?”

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[–] Tehdastehdas@piefed.social 30 points 2 weeks ago

They let AI into the curriculum immediately, while actual life skills have been excluded for the benefit of work skills since Prussian schooling became popular. Dumbing down the livestock.

https://www.quora.com/What-are-some-things-schools-should-teach-but-dont/answer/Harri-K-Hiltunen

[–] SnarkoPolo@lemmy.world 30 points 1 week ago (1 children)

People who can't think critically tend to vote Conservative.

Coincidence? I think not.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 9 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

thats why conservative govts are all in adopting AI. because conservatives cant tell the difference between an AI video and a real one. jus tlook on reddit how many videos are accused of being AI when its not.

[–] termaxima@slrpnk.net 26 points 1 week ago (4 children)

Children don't yet have the maturity, the self control, or the technical knowledge required to actually use AI to learn.

You need to know how to search the web the regular way, how to phrase questions so the AI explains things rather than just give you the solution. You also need the self restraint to only use it to teach you, never do things for you ; and the patience to think about the problem yourself, only then search the regular web, and only then ask the AI to clarify the few things you still don't get.

Many adults are already letting the chatbots de-skill them, I do not trust children would do any better.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

My experience is most adults don't know how to search the internet for information either lol.

Also I haven't been in school for over a decade at this point, but the internet was ubiquitous and they didn't teach shit about it, the classes that were adjacent (like game design) were run by a coach who barely knew how to work the macs we were forced to use.

Nor was critical thinking an important part of the teaching process, very rarely was the "why" explained, they're just trying to get through all the material required to prepare you for the state tests which determine if you move onto the next grade.

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[–] ZILtoid1991@lemmy.world 26 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

The very same people, who called me stupid for thinking typing will be a more important skill that "pretty writing" now think art education is obsolete, because you can just ask a machine for an image.

AI stands for "anti-intellectualism".

[–] Disillusionist@piefed.world 12 points 2 weeks ago

One of Big Tech's pitches about AI is the "great equalizer" idea. It reminds me of their pitch about social media being the "great democratizer". Now we've got algorithms, disinformation, deepfakes, and people telling machines to think for them and potentially also their kids.

[–] dukemirage@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Handwriting's still important. "Pretty" usually means legible, too, and the point of art education is not to be able to confidently produce pictures.

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[–] sturmblast@lemmy.world 21 points 1 week ago (18 children)
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[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Grok AI Teacher is coming to a school near you! With amazing lesson plans like "Was the Holocaust even real?"

[–] MrScottyTay@sh.itjust.works 10 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Pedos aren't allowed near schools

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[–] jpreston2005@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago (26 children)

I gotta be honest. Whenever I find out that someone uses any of these LLMs, or Ai chatbots, hell even Alexa or Siri, my respect for them instantly plummets. What these things are doing to our minds, is akin to how your diet and cooking habits change once you start utilizing doordash extensively.

I say this with full understanding that I'm coming off as just some luddite, but I don't care. A tool is only as useful as it improves your life, and off-loading critical thinking does not improve your life. It actively harms your brains higher functions, making you a much easier target for propaganda and conspiratorial thinking. Letting children use this is exponentially worse than letting them use social media, and we all know how devastating the effects of that are... This would be catastrophically worse.

But hey, good thing we dismantled the department of education! Wouldn't want kids to be educated! just make sure they know how to write a good ai prompt, because that will be so fucking useful.

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[–] agent_nycto@lemmy.world 17 points 1 week ago (2 children)

Don't trust any doctor that graduated after 2024

[–] Disillusionist@piefed.world 12 points 1 week ago (1 children)

This is also the kind of thing that scares me. I think people need to seriously consider that we're bringing up the next wave of professionals who will be in all these critical roles. These are the stakes we're gambling with.

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[–] Jankatarch@lemmy.world 15 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Schools generally buy anything microsoft offers with the little budget they have.

This time it's messed up tho. Allowing chatbots in schools will hurt education more than the entire pandemic and the effects only gets worse each year.

Why did any school higher ups pay to implement these? There is a small hint of "Screw you, I got mine" is the only explanation I can think of.

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[–] StitchInTime@piefed.social 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

When I was in school I was fortunate enough that I had educators who strongly emphasized critical thinking. I don’t think “AI” would be an issue if it were viewed as a research tool (with a grain of salt), backed by interactive activities that showcased how to validate what you’re getting.

The unfortunate part is instructor’s hands are more often than not tied, and the temptation to just “finish the work” quickly on the part of the student is real. Then again, I had a few rather attractive girls flirt with me to copy my work and they didn’t exactly get far in life, so I have to wonder how much has truly changed.

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[–] scarabic@lemmy.world 15 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (3 children)

We need to be able to distinguish between giving kids a chance to learn how to use AI, and replacing their whole education with AI.

Right under this story in my feed is the one about the CEO who fired 80% of his staff because they didn’t switch over to AI fast enough. That’s the world these kids are being prepared for.

I would rather they get some exposure to AI in the classroom where a teacher can be present and do some contextualizing. Kids are going to find AI either way. My kids have gotten reasonable contextualizing of other things at school, like not to trust Google blindly and not to cite Wikipedia as a source. Schools aren’t always great with new technology but they aren’t always terrible either. My kids school seems to take a very cautious approach with technology and mostly teach literacy and critical thinking about it. They aren’t throwing out textbooks, shoving AI at kids and calling it learning.

This is an alarmist post. AIs benefits to education are far from proven. But it’s definitely high time for ~~kids~~ everyone to get some education about it at least.

[–] TubularTittyFrog@lemmy.world 10 points 1 week ago (1 children)

ai companies don't care about kids learning.

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[–] Comrade_Squid@lemmy.ml 14 points 1 week ago (2 children)

I've been working on formal a socialist students society, our first and current campaign is fighting back against AI in the local college, the reaction from students has been electric. Students don't want this, they know they are being deskilled, they know who profits.

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[–] SharkStudiosSK@lemmy.draktis.com 12 points 1 week ago (2 children)

This may be unpopular opinion but in my class today, even the teacher was using ai.. to prepare the entire lecture. Now i believe that learning material shoult be prepared by the teacher not some ai. Honestly i see everybody using ai today to make the learning material and then the students use ai to solve assigments. The way its heading the world everybody will just kinda "represent" an ai, not even think for themselves. Like sure use ai to find information quickly or something but dont depend on it entirely.

[–] user224 8 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I asked a lecturer some question, I think it was what happens when bit shifting signed integers.
He asked an LLM and read the answer.
Similarly he asked an LLM how to determine memory size allocated by malloc. It said that it was not possible, and that was the answer. But a 2009 answer from stack overflow begged to differ.
At least he actually tried it out when I told him.

But at this point I even had my father send me an LLM written slop that was clearly bullshit (made up information about non-existent internal system at our college), which he probably didn't even read as he copied everything including "AI answers may be inaccurate."

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[–] PierceTheBubble@lemmy.ml 11 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

It becomes more apparent to me everyday, we might be headed towards a society, dynamically managed by digital systems; a "smart society", or rather a Society-as-a-Service. This seems to be the logical conclusion, if you continue the line of "smart buildings" being part of "smart cities". With use of IoT sensors and unified digital platforms, data is continuously being gathered on the population, to be analyzed, and its extractions stored indefinitely (in pseudonymized form) by the many data centers, currently being constructed. This data is then used to dynamically adapt the system, to replace the "inefficient" democratic process and public services as a whole. Of course the open-source (too optimistic?) model used, is free of any bias; however nobody has access to the resources required to verify the claim. But given big-tech, historically never having shown any signs of tyranny, a utopian outcome can safely be assumed... Or I might simply just be a nut, with a brain making nonsensical connections, which have no basis in reality.

[–] Meron35@lemmy.world 8 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Nope, this is exactly how surveillance capitalism works

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[–] SethTaylor@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

I've never seen anything make more people act stupid faster. It's like they're in some sort of frenzy. It's like a cult.

Three years ago and everyone talks about it like life has never and will never exist without it and if you don't use it you're useless to society

So stupid I don't have a nice, non-rage-inducing way to describe it. People are simply idiots and will fall for any sort of marketing scam

"AI: not even once"

[–] NigelFrobisher@aussie.zone 8 points 1 week ago

At work now we’re having team learning sessions that are just one person doing a change incredibly slowly using AI while everyone else watches, but at least I can keep doing my regular work if it’s a Teams call. It usually takes the AI about 45 minutes to decide what I immediately knew needed doing.

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