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THE POLICE PROBLEM

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    The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.

    99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.

    When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.

    When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."

    When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.

    Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.

    The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.

    All this is a path to a police state.

    In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.

    Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.

    That's the solution.

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South Florida cops claimed they were “forced to fire” at a 32-year-old Black man named Donald Taylor in August because he was armed and would not follow commands.

But newly surfaced video contradicts those claims, showing the Black man walking away from cops with his hands raised to his sides showing no gun in his hand when a Hollywood police officer fired a single shot as Taylor had his back turned to the cops, killing him.

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[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 187 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

When they're justified they release the body cam footage without needing to be asked. It's become my go to litmus test. Footage is missing? Camera was off? Camera was blocked? Yeah that's murder and they know the footage would show it.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 79 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Footage should be held by some independent 3rd party who will follow the rules on releasing it. It shouldn't be up to the cops.

[–] dohpaz42@lemmy.world 44 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

The cynic in me doesn’t believe there exists any such party.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 20 points 2 weeks ago

Thats also fair.

[–] Soggy@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago

Public library systems, give them money from the police budget to get the job done.

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[–] OshagHennessey@lemmy.world 41 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

We tried that when Biden was in office and all these new body cam laws were passed. So many cops threatened to quit, politicians backed down and let police unions retain control of the cameras and recordings.

[–] NotMyOldRedditName@lemmy.world 22 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

Damn, I had no idea that happened. So fucked.

Edit: Also, I kinda feel like the ones who threatened the quit, were the ones we wanted to quit ...

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 18 points 1 week ago (5 children)

They wouldn't have quit. That would have impacted their pensions.

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[–] Ensign_Crab@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Screw that. It should be held by a 3rd party openly hostile to police.

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[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

"Neutral third parties" that who would rely on police departments contracts.

If the cops want it released then it's released. If they want it buried then it's buried. Because the customer is always right.

Cop body cams should just be open to live streaming by anyone at anytime the same way unprotected security cameras are.

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[–] explodicle@sh.itjust.works 22 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

"In general, signalling theory says that if you have a good way of proving something and a noisy way of proving something, and you choose the noisy way, that means chances are it's because you couldn't do the good way in the first place."

— Vitalik Buterin

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[–] unmagical@lemmy.ml 177 points 2 weeks ago (11 children)

Within days of the incident, the Hollywood Police Department began to release misleading statements about the murder, suggesting that the officer fired his weapon because Donald was armed.

Even their made up, post hoc explanation isn't a valid justification. How do the police constantly "forget" that in the most heavily armed nation in the world it's completely legal-and not uncommon-to be armed?

[–] gdog05@lemmy.world 92 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

There's this second amendment loophole about being armed while black that our society just seems to be okay with.

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[–] devolution@lemmy.world 40 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

Well... If they can lie about a white woman, the sacred cow of whiteness, causing her own killing, what hope does this guy have?

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[–] UnspecificGravity@piefed.social 12 points 2 weeks ago

If these were regular people instead of cops these guys would be catching obstruction and accessory charges.

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[–] miguel@fedia.io 61 points 2 weeks ago (2 children)

This is why I'm not looking to cops to save me from ICE.

[–] modus@lemmy.world 55 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Cops were never there to save you from anything at all.

[–] miguel@fedia.io 21 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Agree entirely. Every time these news releases come out with "oh, we're going to have cops escort ICE" or "cops are going to arrest ICE for (random broken law)" I'm like... really?

[–] modus@lemmy.world 14 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Didn't t FOP in Minnesota just say they stand with ICE?

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 weeks ago

They would join ICE if they didn't already have sweet pension.

[–] disregardable@lemmy.zip 48 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

by focusing on the crimes he was accused of

You mean the crimes where everyone walked away alive??? Seriously, with no other explanation, I have to assume the cop murdered this person because they were too lazy to tackle him. There’s zero other reason to shoot.

[–] leftzero@lemmy.dbzer0.com 10 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 1 week ago)

There's zero other reason to shoot

Pig could be a racist, an homicidal maniac (which seems to be a requirement for the job), a little coward with no trigger discipline hiding behind its gun (another requirement) firing due to a nervous spasm, it could have heard an acorn fall and thought it was under fire and started blindly shooting “defensively” (happens more often than you'd think), aiming at a playful neighbour's dog, under its monthly murder quota, being initiated into a cop gang, high off its mind on a cocktail of PCP, meth, and cocaine from the evidence room, or more probably some combination of most of those...

[–] FauxPseudo@lemmy.world 36 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (13 children)

Am I reading this correctly? That if you comply they still unalive you?

Edit: every single reply to this comment is to inform me they don't like a word. Not one of them addresses the actual message of lethal compliance. If this were Facebook that would make sense but Lemmy isn't MAGA land so I'm a bit confused by all this boomer shaped deflection.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 41 points 1 week ago (1 children)

Yes, when you comply they might still kill you

Having said that, please stop using that "special language" or whatever the hell it is that you're using

It's called killing murdering, etc. "unaliving" is just dumb and shouldn't be used in a normal conversation

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[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 23 points 2 weeks ago

Correct. To cops, Floridians, and especially Floridian cops, black lives don’t matter.

[–] FatVegan@leminal.space 21 points 1 week ago (1 children)

A tiktok adult calling everyone a boomer who disagrees with their brainrot speech is pretty funny

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[–] 0_o7@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 week ago

That if you comply they still unalive you?

There's a reason they are required to wear body cam. They're the same brood that harbored the KKK.

[–] Drusas@fedia.io 12 points 1 week ago

lol, calling people complaining about you not speaking plainly "boomer".

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 35 points 2 weeks ago (6 children)

Funny how people from the USA hate the idea of CCTV and tHe SuVeIlAnCe sTaTe but public videos are the only proof of abuse of power.

[–] pivot_root@lemmy.world 67 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (5 children)

The problem with mass surveillance is that, for it to be impossible to abuse, it both must be and can't be publicly transparent.

If access is only provided to a small group and they are corrupt, it will be used against the out-group while denying the out-group any hope of using it for justice against the in-group. This is the current state of affairs right now with big tech, digital surveillance, and government CCTV.

If all the data was publicly available without safeguards—which is the only way to prevent the above problem—the problem shifts to it being used by bad actors for harassment and blackmail. No matter who you are, if you're always watched by a camera, you will be eventually be recorded accidentally or intentionally breaking a law or some moral code. For digital surveillance, something could easily be taken out of context and used to irrecoverably damage your reputation before you get the chance to defend yourself.

When the solution to either situation is the same problem causing the other, there is no middle ground or way to reconcile them. The only way to prevent both is to just not have mass surveillance, and instead provide a framework allowing the public to create recordings that can only be used to protect themselves.

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[–] OshagHennessey@lemmy.world 52 points 2 weeks ago

It's not difficult to understand.

We hate the idea of only our government and the police benefitting from and having control over that surveillance. We hate the idea of being taxed so we can be constantly monitored, then prevented from accessing the surveillance footage we paid for when it could exonerate us or hold police accountable.

Surely you can understand it's more about who controls and benefits from the surveillance than the surveillance itself?

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[–] MrSulu@lemmy.ml 22 points 1 week ago

Rodney King SHOULD have been the last case

[–] inclementimmigrant@lemmy.world 19 points 1 week ago

ACAB.

And why I never get picked for juries.

[–] MedicPigBabySaver@lemmy.world 11 points 2 weeks ago

MURDER!

ACAB

[–] thingAmaBob@lemmy.world 11 points 1 week ago

I’ve seen many body cam videos and people don’t even get tased for kicking officers (even POC). Watching the video clearly shows the shooting was unjustified.

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