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[–] mrsemi@lemmy.world 175 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (25 children)

"I saved you from being sent to hell."

"Wait, who was going to send me to hell?"

"I was"

"..."

"Praise and worship pls, I suffered a lot for this."

[–] Zink@programming.dev 37 points 1 month ago

The OG conservative undiagnosed-something parent.

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[–] burgermeister@sh.itjust.works 103 points 1 month ago (1 children)

Won't someone unmute jeezus

[–] dp@thebrainbin.org 20 points 1 month ago (2 children)

What difference would that make?

[–] burgermeister@sh.itjust.works 15 points 1 month ago (2 children)

I'd like to hear what he's saying, for one.

[–] Quill7513@slrpnk.net 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

"You been whippin' them bankers like how I said to do? I best not be finding out you let Caesar co-opt my message in order to continue on the imperial project that killed me"

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[–] kautau@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago (1 children)

EAT THE RICH

I think or something along those lines

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[–] aeronmelon@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Fuck me, I laughed way too hard at that.

[–] W98BSoD@lemmy.dbzer0.com 74 points 1 month ago (1 children)
[–] DasFaultier@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

(OT: nice nostalgic username btw. Reminds me I have to take my back pain medication.)

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[–] cerebralhawks@lemmy.dbzer0.com 60 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Remember that religion is true to the poor, false to the rich, and useful to the powerful.

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[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 52 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (10 children)

I never understood the most basic, fundamental point of Christianity - how does Jesus getting crucified forgive my sins? Is it some sort of ancient Christian bar bet?

"Oh, you think it's so easy? You get crucified, and if you really do it, I'll forgive everybody's sins."

"That's bullshit. You won't do that."

"I'll go you one better - I'll forgive their sins forever.

All right, you got a bet!"

If I committed a murder, that murder doesn't just go away just because some random, third party person died somewhere, 2000 years ago. My victim is still dead, the family is still sad, and I'm still a murderer.

The next time I'm in front of a judge, can I claim my crimes are already absolved because a guy died long ago? Of course not, I'm going to jail. The government doesn't buy that story because it makes no sense, and I'm not buying it either.

Edit: Numerous insightful replies, I'm impressed. Thanks, gang!

[–] 5too@lemmy.world 21 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (5 children)

It's based on the old idea of offering sacrifices to atone for sins. Do bad thing, sacrifice a dove or whatever to God to make up for it.

The idea is that God decided to do away with the sacrifice system using said system, by sending and then accepting a sacrifice great and pure enough to wipe the slate clean forevermore - his own self/son.

I've heard that it hits people from cultures where they do still sacrifice for every sin particularly hard - we might not have the frame of reference to really get this fully anymore.

[–] BlackDragon@slrpnk.net 7 points 1 month ago (2 children)

There's one thing that still bugs me about this narrative. Jesus wasn't a sacrifice. He wasn't killed as an offering to God for the sins of humanity. He was killed because he was giving the peasants ideas that the ruling class didn't like. Unless God sending him to Earth in the first place was the sacrifice, by the logic that God knew how it would turn out. But then God is the one offering the sacrifice... to God.

[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 6 points 1 month ago (1 children)

That is actually the Christian understanding. To make it even weirder, in a sense, Jesus is God in this scenario. So God sacrifices Himself for the sins of humanity.

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[–] Johanno@feddit.org 15 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Well I am an atheist myself, but the key is that in the old testament god gave every human the blame for the original sin.

And the special thing with Jesus dying and taking all sins with him is, that now god won't hate every human just because Adam and Eve stole some fruits.

This some weird story but yeah. Basically after Jesus, god wasn't that angry anymore.

[–] tetris11@feddit.uk 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (2 children)

Okay so he's not angry with me over what my grandparents did, but he can still be angry with me in particular?

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[–] markovs_gun@lemmy.world 12 points 1 month ago (1 children)

This has been a source of debate since the very earliest days of Christianity, but essentially the main idea isn't that suffering in and of itself is what did it, it is that Jesus was a literal ritual sacrifice for the sins of humanity. In ancient Judaism, there was a lot of focus on animal sacrifices, and the Book of Leviticus lays out a very complex and rigid set of sacrifices that must be performed as atonements for each type of ritual impurity or sin, with the degree of sacrifice required roughly corresponding to the seriousness of the offense. It ranged from spiced cakes donated to the Temple for minor offenses to burning an entire bull without eating any of the meat for especially serious ones. Christians believe that by living a perfect human life and by being God incarnate, Jesus proved to be a good enough sacrifice to permanently atone for all the sins of humanity.

Of course, this begs the question of why God can't decide he just doesn't want to do all these sacrifices to begin with, and that goes back to Greek philosophers like Plato who tried to work out what properties a monotheistic God would have. One of the properties that got worked out was that if God is the greatest possible being, then He cannot change- after all, if He could, then he would have either not been the greatest possible being before, or he would be becoming something other than the greatest possible being. Therefore, if you believe that God created a set laws that demand sacrifice, then they must be in effect forever.

I would then wonder the validity of the assumption that the ancient Jewish laws were actually God's divine laws in the first place under this set of assumptions, but that is assumed to be true by both Christians and Jews as a matter of faith.

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[–] zalgotext@sh.itjust.works 6 points 1 month ago (5 children)

Yeah it would have been way easier for the apparently all good, all knowing, all powerful god to just, you know, forgive us, but that wouldn't have made for a good book

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[–] BlameTheAntifa@lemmy.world 36 points 1 month ago (11 children)

Remember, the concept of hell doesn’t exist anywhere in Jewish or Christian scripture. It’s a much later Hellenist addition.

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[–] flemtone@lemmy.world 35 points 1 month ago (3 children)

So wait.... God saved us by killing himself to save us from himself ?!?!?!?

[–] Allero@lemmy.today 16 points 1 month ago

Trinity is messed up in so many wonderful ways tbh

[–] ExLisper@lemmy.curiana.net 8 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (3 children)

Well... he saved us by making us kill him so he can forgive us for not listening to his orders.

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[–] edgemaster72@lemmy.world 24 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago) (1 children)

🎵 When I was a young man, the Romans
Took me up to Golgotha, to be a martyred man
I said, "Son, when you grow up, would you be
The savior of the poor, sick, the homeless, and the damned?" 🎵

[–] Guitarfun@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

🎵🥁🥁🥁🎶🥁🥁🥁🎶🥁🥁🥁🎵

[–] CXORA@aussie.zone 21 points 1 month ago (3 children)

Isn't it wierd that ultimately Christianity is all about finding that one perfect human sacrifice to stop god being pissed at us.

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[–] LordCrom@lemmy.world 20 points 1 month ago (5 children)

The whole thing about Jesus saving us by suffering and dying.... If god was all powerful, he could have saved us without all the suffering part. Since he had to suffer, there are rules that god must adhere to. If god has to obey rules, then he is not all powerful.

[–] psx_crab@lemmy.zip 9 points 1 month ago (2 children)

Everyone be like "god is merciful and love us all" and then the god smile, bend down, and give sweetheart little Timmy bone cancer.

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[–] MystikIncarnate@lemmy.ca 15 points 1 month ago

And if you don't sin, then Jesus died for nothing.

[–] AntiBullyRanger@ani.social 9 points 1 month ago

YHWH is literally panel 3.

[–] Marinatorres@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

It’s interesting how art reframes familiar stories to highlight empathy and responsibility in a simple way.

[–] ElcaineVolta@kbin.melroy.org 6 points 1 month ago

of all the myths out there, this may very well be the least compelling.

[–] ImWaitingForRetcons@lemmy.world 5 points 1 month ago

This is the parable of the sheep and the goats in action lol

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