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A masked guy breaks down your door w/o an Article III warrant absent exigent circumstances? Yeah, I'd agree. Trick will be that pressing the murder charge would be federal since a federal agent dies in the line of official work (though illegal), which would give the president grounds to push for death.

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[–] PointyFluff@lemmy.ml 3 points 8 hours ago

So does the Second Amendment of the United States Constitution.

[–] thisphuckinguy@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

I’m good with this

[–] ClassStruggle@lemmy.ml 42 points 22 hours ago

Texas says if I feel threatened on my property, in my car, or at my job, I can shoot first and ask questions later. As a minority I don't have the luxury of time to determine if you are a threat to my existence.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 21 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Fine. There’s more of us than there is of them. They will run out of people before we will.

[–] Sunflier@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, but they have more tanks.

[–] muusemuuse@sh.itjust.works 6 points 17 hours ago (7 children)

Tanks are terribly impractical weapons.

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[–] W3dd1e@lemmy.zip 78 points 1 day ago (13 children)

The problem is, if you fire at a kidnapper who breaks down your door they will call back up and they aren’t going to stop until you’re dead.

Fuck ICE.

[–] FlyingCircus@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

That’s why if the doorkickers come your only thought should be escape. 2A rights should be exercised strategically, tactically and above all, collectively.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

Monopoly on Violence. The state has it, until the people reassert it collectively.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 44 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If they're kicking down my door, I'm fucked either way. Might as well try to take a few with me and make them more hesitant with the next house.

[–] Lucelu2@lemmy.zip 16 points 1 day ago (1 children)

When they kick down your front door, how you gonna come? With the hands on your head or on the trigger of your gun. When the law breaks in, how you gonna go, shot down on the pavement or waiting in death row? You can crush us, you can bruise us But you'll have to answer to Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton The money feels good And your life you like it well But surely your time will come As in Heaven as in Hell You see, he feels like Ivan Born under the Brixton sun His game is called survivin' At the end of the harder they come You know it means no mercy They caught him with a gun No need for the Black Maria Goodbye to the Brixton sun You can crush us, you can bruise us But you'll have to answer to Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton When they kick at your front door How you gonna come? With your hands on your head Or on the trigger of your gun You can crush us, you can bruise us And even shoot us But oh-oh, the guns of Brixton Shot down on the pavement Waiting in death row His game was survivin' As in Heaven as in Hell You can crush us, you can bruise us But you'll have to answer to Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton Oh-oh, the guns of Brixton

They believe they can crush us with this overwhelming brutality. But Nope. We will be like the Irish... never giving up and blowing those mfers up strategically and unendingly. We will not submit.

[–] CodandChips@lemmy.ml 7 points 23 hours ago

Always upvote The Clash

[–] Candice_the_elephant@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago

Trump's plan coming to fruition. ICE agent shot, declare martial law, cancel elections.

[–] Taldan@lemmy.world 35 points 1 day ago (1 children)

That's really the crux of the issue. The law doesn't matter when they're going to kill you before you see the inside of a courtroom

[–] obvs@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago

If a person is going to kill you no matter what, what do you gain by not killing them?

[–] rumba@lemmy.zip 10 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Right now, they're not in any real danger, they're proudboys cosplaying getting others killed. They'll lose their taste for it if people start defending themselves, then it'll go to the army. We'll have to see where that rubber meats the road.

[–] 5wim@slrpnk.net 3 points 18 hours ago

Yeah let's send their meat down the road

So the more you kill the better you K/D ratio becomes :)

[–] bold_atlas@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

Don't let them choose the battlefield. In your home you should prioritize escaping above all else.

Anyone who wants to fight back effectively will HAVE to take the fight to them.

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 1 points 16 hours ago

Which should be easy enough - just dress as they do - do we have any latent serial killers around? Because this would be a nice chance for them to start racking up kills. Dress up as ICE, kill some ICE goons, then calmly walk away because not even other ICE can tell you aren't one of them. Some folks might blow whistles and boo you, that's about the end of the consequences. If you turn up on security footage - well, no, you really didn't. ICE did.

[–] Olhonestjim@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago

Die defending against fascists vs live to see climate change destroy civilization.

So many decisions.

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[–] Gammelfisch@lemmy.world 16 points 1 day ago (2 children)

The only problem I see, when the MAGA fucknut ICE goons assault a MAGA fucknut minority home owner, are the stray bullets zipping all over place. Yep, it's going to be a Cluster Fuck.

[–] BanMe@lemmy.world 2 points 16 hours ago

Given how these days, simply ringing a doorbell (usually a geezer) s enough to get you shot to death, I am surprised it's not happened yet.

[–] Xella@lemmy.world 6 points 21 hours ago

Ngl I'm excited to see this footage

[–] Aljernon@lemmy.today 4 points 21 hours ago
[–] Hawk@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 1 day ago (4 children)

These cowards come in heavily armed a dozen at once. Even if you manage to shoot one, you're as good as dead when the others start firing back.

[–] obvs@lemmy.world 14 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (6 children)

Sure.

Except if everyone they're doing this to did the same thing, that would be one less coward every time there was one less victim.

And the country would run out of cowards before it ran out of victims.

[–] durindana@lemmy.zip 3 points 21 hours ago

There will be shitloads fewer incidents after the first few pigs get blasted, though.

This is a tragedy of the commons where the grass needs to start shooting

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[–] I_Has_A_Hat@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago (1 children)

If things continue the way they've been going, you'll be dead either way.

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[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 103 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (7 children)

Trick will be that pressing the murder charge would be federal since a federal agent dies in the line of official work (though illegal), which would give the president grounds to push for death.

Federal prosecutors are having a real tough time getting juries to convict, and sometimes even indict, citizens accused of assaulting ICE and CBP agents. They have 30 cases against Chicago residents, and so far they're 0 for 15. They couldn't get a felony indictment for the sandwich-throwing guy in DC, so they went for a misdemeanor; he was aquitted despite clearly having done it. It is not at all clear to me that the feds could get a conviction for killing someone during what is, legally, a home invasion.

(This is not an incitement of violence towards any federal agents, nor am I advocating for anyone to break any state or federal laws. To any FBI agents reading this, I think you're very smart and handsome.)

[–] sik0fewl@piefed.ca 22 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Not disagreeing with you, but a misdemeanour for throwing a sandwich at someone is a joke.

[–] pjwestin@lemmy.world 22 points 1 day ago

True, but then again, there was that tow truck driver in LA who towed that ICE car, with flashing police lights, in the middle of a stop. I can't imagine someone getting away with that if it had been a normal LAPD stop.

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