I would definitely not have done that.
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"I did what I did because all life is sacred. But when the object of your actions does not share that belief.. I fear I have served the present by sacrificing the future." -Lennier, Babylon 5
Amundson, a kindergarten teacher who has received CPR and first-aid training through school emergency planning, moved without hesitation once the cuffs came off.
Good to hear we're still only arresting the violent criminals and rapists. /s
Nah, I'd let him twitch. That's what he'd do, except he'd laugh, too.
All ICE agents are pure evil and deserve death. There are no good ICE agents. Period. Feel free to disagree with me, but you'll never change my mind.
No, you're 100% correct.
Well, I have to commend them on their compassion. I'm not sure I would have done the same; and that's being an epileptic myself...
What stayed with Amundson most, she said, was not the adrenaline of the moment but the realization that came while she was holding the agent’s head in her hands and keeping his airway open.
“I was hit so hard with the fact that this man would not do this for me,” she said.
Her mind went immediately to Renee Good.
I feel the same way. I got to the part where she unholstered his gun and wondered to myself if I would have that same grace.
It's been interesting to see the debate back and fourth over whether this was the right move. The moral 'you should help another human being in need' vs the logical 'don't aid the 'enemy', one less person against you+family'...
It's such a difficult decision; knowing they wouldn't help you if roles were reversed, and may even blame you if he doesn't pull through. With 12h to think sbout it; I still don't know which direction I'd go.
I do have to wonder what story the Administration is going to spin to vilify them anyway...
I mostly was thinking about it practically — it’s a pretty straightforward case to make that a federal agent feared for his life because someone handled their service weapon and that justified the use of lethal force, even by a more law-abiding federal agency during a more liberal administration.
I couldn't. Not just because it's ICE, but because if I didn't manage to save him I know I'd be charged with murder.
Saving him direcrly harms his victims. By saving him you become culpable.
Indirectly*
We've lost "literally" already.
I mean even from a purely transactional perspective, they did the best thing they could have done in that moment.
If they let him die, a brownshirt might have taken out their frustration on them.
If they shot an ICE agent and ran, they wouldn't have gotten that far and would have gotten the attention of the top Trump ghouls.
Whereas, by saving his life, they got better treatment, convinced a few brownshirts of the value of humanity, and a PR win for the anti-ICE coalition.
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Shoulda let the bastard die...
No. Do not help them. Ever. Let them watch as their fellow brown shirt convulses, until he doesn’t.
They let Good die, even going so far as to bar a medical professional from rendering aid.
The humane thing to do is let them suffer in their final moments. Let’s hope more agents have “medical episodes”.
This was the right move. One agent doesn't make a material difference, letting him die wouldn't have impeded ICE one bit. In the bigger picture, it has more of an impact as a story.
As a story it could have been an agent dying due to a medical emergency that no one could have done anything about.
This action changes it so that the detainees were caring and compassion and competent. By contrast, it exposes the agencies lack of training, falling to recognize the situation and not knowing what to do and letting detainees have control of the firearm. They showed ICE as incompetent and targetting obviously good folk.
On a smaller scale, it spares them. Who knows, maybe this event gives some of the agents involved some pause about how bad they are being.
No
That sounds like a great storyline, for a cop drama on CBS. One less agent is a net positive, no matter which way you look at it.
Who’s to say that that particular agent doesn’t later blind a protester? Or worse, kill one? Or maybe he just abducts a 5 year, and puts them on a plane to Louisiana?
They just killed another person in Minneapolis. But yeah, let’s patch up the brown shirts.
There is no logical reason to give aid or comfort to the enemy. These aren’t protesters that say mean things that we don’t like. They are a secret police, and their boot’s are on the neck’s of every person who lives in this country.
If you want to start your own club that goes around and makes sure that your oppressors are comfortable in their crusade against liberty, go right on ahead.
Helping them en masse would materially contribute to their capability, but responding to an isolated health event isn't going to help them, certainly not more than the story as it played out undermined them.
Certainly for the detainees, this was a better outcome. They actually honored their rights after what they did, when they clearly were on a trajectory to deny them contact, and even got released.
Yeah this is going nowhere.
Aiding them in any capacity is a betrayal to all of those whose live’s ICE has taken away, destroyed.
You are not expected to enjoy the moment you let them fall. You could very well be saving an entire family by letting nature take its course.
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That is horrible situation to placed in. Helping save someone who is actively trying to ruin your life and hurt you. They did the right thing, but there must be little satisfaction in helping these oppressors.
They didn’t do the right thing though. We are not in a peacetime situation where we are extending olive branches to the terrorists, in hopes of showing them our humanity. They. Do. Not. Care.
The only good fascist is the one with blue lips.
doing the right thing for the wrong reasons.
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I think I would also help the enemy, but I don't blame anyone if they won't.
It's fine to provide first aid to enemy combatants as long as they are imprisoned until the war is over.
Women like this are the reason why I still have faith in humanity. They still have the humanity that Ice has lost long ago
One wonders what that ice member is going tondo once he leaves the hospital. Will he see the error of his way? Will he visit the women he arrested and who then saved his life? Will he continue working for the SS?
Generally I believe in helping your opponents. It’s one of the founding principles of the Red Cross as an Organisation and deeply rooted in compassion. However, what seperates fascists from other enemies, throughout history, there haven’t been much cults whose ultimate goal was death. Fascism, or more precise neonazism, is one such cult. It’s end goal can only be the end of the human race. Thus they separate humans in classes within their believe system. They believe it’s necessary to wipe out the „subhumans“. But they to it with the ideology of someone breeding cattle. Do they like their cows? I’d argue so. Will they still kill them. Naturally. A true nazi will be helped, get healthy and still kill their rescuer, because he truly believes it’s for their and everybody’s good to get killed. They view it as an act of necessity or kindness. Goebbels diaries illustrate that. So will I think it’s morally wrong on a momentary level not to help them, in the longer timeframe it’s morally wrong to give those enemies of humankind any type of respite or aid.
Will he see the error of his way? Will he visit the women he arrested and who then saved his life? Will he continue working for the SS?
No. Maybe. Yes.
The maybe: raping them.
...I am not being sarcastic. Members of ICE are fundamentally evil, and this sort of "thanks" would be very much in line with that.
She Helped an ICE Agent? TERRORIST!
-Kristi Noem!
"We believe the women used a combination of siren song and/or witchcraft to induce the seizure"
They'll probably charge them with assault.
You should know that you are in no way obliged to render aid to anyone ever.
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