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Paris fumes after NATO secretary-general tells the European Parliament that the continent could not defend itself without America.

The French government responded curtly to Mark Rutte after the NATO secretary-general said Europe could not defend itself without the U.S.

"No, dear Mark Rutte. Europeans can and must take charge of their own security. Even the United States agrees. This is the European pillar of NATO," said French Foreign Minister Jean-Noël Barrot.

On Monday, answering a question from French far-right MEP Pierre-Romain Thionnet, Rutte told the European Parliament that the continent cannot defend itself without American support. He also pushed back against the idea of a European army — a concept revived recently by EU Defense Commissioner Andrius Kubilius — and said a “European pillar [of NATO] is a bit of an empty word.”

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[–] Cherry@piefed.social 26 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

France and Macron doing a lot of the lifting here. There are a lot of countries willing to mock them on their military might but lately they have been willing to approach the tough conversations.

[–] cygnus@lemmy.ca 19 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (3 children)

There are a lot of countries willing to mock them on their military might

This is just people memeing on them for their lackluster performance in WWII. Say what you will about that, but they certainly learned their lesson - since then they've been a military powerhouse, frankly the only European country that consistently pulls its weight in that respect. If other EU countries were Gaullist their combined military would outclass the US.

And that's not even getting into their "nuke first, ask quesitons later" policy.

[–] stoly@lemmy.world 2 points 14 hours ago

The US would not exist if France hadn’t bankrupted itself to spite England 250 years ago. They got the French Revolution and much death as a result.

Also, aside from the absolute, categorical failure of French strategic planning and leadership at the start of the Second World War, the Free French forces significantly contributed to a ton of campaigns during the war. Not to mention: WW2 was a divergence from the norm for France. Before, and since, they have been and still are a strategic military powerhouse, are able to punch far above their weight, and have pointedly maintained a serious domestic defense industry - which, nowadays, is showing very clear and obvious benefits.

[–] Pistachio@lemmy.zip 3 points 17 hours ago

Even that (the memeing for their performance inWWII) has only come about in the last 40-50 years. People in the west used to poke fun at Poland for their lack of military might. Also, had the Nazis not gone thru Belgium, France, speculatively, would have been able to hold them at least for awhile. It's because of them getting routed like that that allowed their military to quickly dissolve and pivot, turning into a relatively organized resistance.

Pretty sure France has the best military record in the West. So this position and type of posturing is in their wheelhouse for sure

[–] Mihies@programming.dev 6 points 16 hours ago

Yep, in the past they went against US invasion of Iraq and as a consequence freedom fries were born. Nobody else dared to object like that.

[–] PlaidBaron@lemmy.world 5 points 14 hours ago

Can someone please explain why journalists need to use quotations for phrases like: protester 'killed' by ICE.

But then can write that France is fuming from some dumbfuck comment and not have to use them?

[–] 332@feddit.nu 10 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 9 minutes ago)

I do not know to what extent Rutte is pragmatically playing the US admin for maximal benefit for the rest of the alliance, maybe this groveling makes sense, who knows? But meanwhile, it sure is pathetic and annoying.

[–] MonkderVierte@lemmy.zip 5 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Europe could not defend itself without the U.S.

Then how do you suggest we change this?

[–] cross_eyed_cyclop@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 hours ago

he never said that this is a bad thing that needs to change ;)

[–] ptolemai@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago

Hand it to the French to use "dear" as an insult. Well played!