Welcome to politcal memes!
These are our rules:
Be civil
Jokes are okay, but don’t intentionally harass or disturb any member of our community. Sexism, racism and bigotry are not allowed. Good faith argumentation only. No posts discouraging people to vote or shaming people for voting.
No misinformation
Don’t post any intentional misinformation. When asked by mods, provide sources for any claims you make.
Posts should be memes
Random pictures do not qualify as memes. Relevance to politics is required.
No bots, spam or self-promotion
Follow instance rules, ask for your bot to be allowed on this community.
No AI generated content.
Content posted must not be created by AI with the intent to mimic the style of existing images
Illegal immigration increased unemployment among black men, and it created an underground economy that hired only illegal immigrants through 3rd parties. The underground illegal employers only spoke Spanish and didn't hire Americans. Some blacks supported Trump because his efforts increased employment among them.
No reasonable person has an issue with legal immigration, though plenty of unreasonable ones do. As far as illegal immigration goes, even Bernie Sanders said that a country without borders is not a country and that open borders is a Koch bothers idea.
He also advocates for comprehensive immigration reform, probably because it wasn't cool closing the door you and your ancestors used to get in.
It would also be like, legit the best if the US stopped fucking around with other nations, at the least the ones in latin America where most undocumented immigrants come from.... likely because of the lack of stable governments over the last century has made those places difficult to live in.
Agreed, the U.S. has looked the other way as people came in illegally or overstayed their visas to be exploited for cheap labor while also starting regime change wars to plunder the resources from countries many illegal immigrants are fleeing as a direct result. All of this is for the benefit of the billionaire cabal, who relish in the fact that average citizens blame the people fleeing war-torn nations in search of a better life just as they themselves would be doing.
A nation without borders isn’t a nation, but border enforcement and deportation address the symptoms and not the root cause. Actually, we’d be way better off deporting all the billionaires.
Terk our jerbs?
Y'all - look, downvote all you want, but the main problem with no-borders immigration is that it does allow those willing and wanting to do harm to other people and the country to do whatever they want. And there's fucking enough of those already with the white supremacists.
Overland migration into the US is also very much not limited to people from countries in the Western Hemisphere. I have been told 3 separate times by people in West Africa and Turkey (guy was Syrian but in Turkey) that "you just fly to Mexico and you get in!" I didn't even ask - people just were excited to tell me after asking where I'm from.
Two issues that happen across Africa where borders are only for foreigners is that 1) all those JNIM/ISGS/ISIS/Al Shebab/Boko Haram guys go anywhere they want and no one stops them, and 2) human trafficking rings have no limits or friction. Most modern-day slavery exists in corridors where there's basically free movement across borders because you just get off the bus, walk 20 meters into the bush, walk across the border, and walk back to the road and get on the bust again. Half of those victims are children. Don't gotta own an island to traffic humans.
These are not related to economic issues, wages, dog whistle racism, etc. These are objective problems that are global in scope anywhere with a situation like this. There are no easy solutions. But the friction of knowing who comes and goes into the country reduces both of those.
Feel free to try and change my mind on this if you want, but having personally crossed borders on foot myself, intentionally and even on accident, y'all gotta bring some sources and logic.
It is interesting that you ask for sources and logic while relying heavily on a false equivalence. Using the specific geopolitical instability and porous borders of West Africa as a proxy for US immigration policy is a classic strawman. The administrative and security infrastructure of the US is not comparable to a region where groups like Boko Haram operate across vast, ungoverned territories, and suggesting the two situations are "objective" mirrors of one another ignores the vastly different historical and logistical realities at play. If we are going to apply actual logic to the concept of "harm to the country," we have to look at the data regarding who truly threatens American safety. Historically, the most devastating attacks on US soil were carried out by individuals who entered the country legally, such as the 9/11 hijackers. Furthermore, the most pressing threats to domestic stability in recent years have come from within, including the January 6th insurrection and the violence seen in the streets of Minneapolis. Even the most prolific human trafficking and abuse networks, such as the Epstein case, operated entirely within the legal and elite structures of the country rather than through people walking through the bush. This suggests that "knowing who comes and goes" is a superficial fix for a much deeper, often homegrown, security issue. Finally, it is logically inconsistent to discuss a migration crisis without acknowledging the role the US plays in creating the "push factors" that drive it. The instability in the nations these immigrants are fleeing is frequently a direct byproduct of American drug consumption, which fuels the cartels, and decades of US meddling in the governments of the Western Hemisphere. From the 1954 Guatemalan coup to the long history of the School of the Americas, the US has often been the primary architect of the chaos it now attempts to border itself against. If you want to talk about objective problems, you have to start with the fact that these people are at the doorstep of the very nation that destabilized their own.
Actually true
My brother, who dropped out of school, lays carpet. He is very mad about immigrants "takin' our jerbs". He is also not a very good employee and miserably failed when he tried to start his own business...he wanted to be the boss without doing any work himeself... I imagine most people have made poor life choices and just need someone to blame.
Immigration in my area is heavily used for wage suppression.
That's Capitalism you're mad at, not immigrants....
Not really, you're mad at capitalism, I personally hold no rage to 'immigrants'. I hold rage towards the lazy ignorant selfish citizens in our world that sit by as we get sold out. I feel rage towards people that don't care as the free-world dies.
Where I live we have democracy. We have the ability to invoke change. We have the ability to stand up and defend the rights, and the futures of others. We have the ability to progress as a society. I think blaming Capitalism is absurd. If people can't come together to agree on positive change, it's not about 'the system' it's fundamentally about the people in the system.
I live in Canada. While it is not the fault of individual immigrants, even the Government of Canada and big banks have admitted that abuse of the International Student and TFW programs has put a lot of strain of public infrastructure and housing supply and has suppressed wages. These issues have absolutely objectively affected the average Canadian.
Every now and then you get someone on social media try to be smart and smugly say something like, "International Students can't afford to buy a house. Explain to me how they're driving up the cost of housing." But they fail to realise it increases demand for rentals, and people buy single family homes to rent the rooms to those students, and so the demand for those rentals drives up the cost of houses.
You can acknowledge that not all immigration is good without blaming individual immigrants themselves. I'm always shocked when people who understand infinite growth is a fallacy when it comes to the corporate world, don't understand that trying to grow the population into infinity year after year is just the government equivalent of that fallacy.
Yaaay nuanced opinion!! Thank you for posting :)
Yeah this is so accurate or hurts that people don't get it, or go the opposite way and blame the migrant.
I was teaching in a college from 2021-2024 and by the time I left my classes were at least 95% international students. The greed of our higher education institutions has caused a massive problem.
It's a lack of nuance. Higher rates of population growth can be good, if pressure points like housing are planned for with zoning and permitting systems that promote densification in popular locations. The badness is neither the additional people nor the housing regulations individually, but instead is that they don't match.
Also, there's a lot of racism in the mix. The people with legitimate concerns about growth planning (or the lack thereof) end up mixed in with the people who are horrified at the idea of their racial group becoming a minority of the country's population.
Well, how many international students do you get?
Really? They must not teach civics in school?
Impact on Electoral Representation (Apportionment and the Electoral College)
They're wrongfully attributing to the immigrants what should be attributed to corporations, businesses and the extremely wealthy who are exploiting and trafficking immigrants.
And the wealthy help conservatives get elected, and conservatives demonize immigrants, and on and on it goes with half the country being mad at the wrong people.
Didn't you hear? An illegal immigrant killed a white girl back in 2024. Burn it all down. /s
I thought it was because they were eating cats and dogs.
I think people are tired if seeing immigrants come to the country and then become net tax recipients, meanwhile people whose ancestors have lived here for hundreds of years are struggling and getting no help from the government.
Curious about the statistics on this. Which ones are you looking at?
Nah. Immigrant communities are actually interesting. They even know how to work.
I'm tired of religious cucks using my tax money to bloviate about how special they are.
How do you get these tax money in the US?
Just medical care or some shit? I can understand, and still dont support such people in EU, where they get a lot of money.
But wtf do you get in the USA?
there are several immigrants that made things worst: melania, THIEL, musk, cruz, . just not the ones that came with no money.
Many people, when they look out at the world, all they want to see is themselves reflected back at them. When they see something else, they feel afraid.