Before even opening the article I knew it would be England. Fucking TERF Island.
What's terf
Trans exclusionary radical feminist
What the fuck is that
they don't consider Trans women to be women. basically
Lacks nuance.
They believe that allowing trans women to identify as women reduces womanhood to meaninglessness.
IOW: they found a way to be the victim in a situation where a tiny subset of the population faces massive challenges merely trying to exist.
The Tories are the problem.
I heard a similar story about a transwoman in esports..
You know that thing that is already not gender segregated to begin with
Magic Moonshot?
I don't know any specific names, I don't really follow that scene it was something my brother told me about, because I'm trans people and he wanted my opinion as a trans woman.
I told him that, yeah it was just as stupid as he thought, and that technically the Karens complaining were right..
In that, a transgender individual likely had an upbringing that is the opposite of the way they present now. Meaning that any transgender woman was likely a young boy who played Star Fox for Pokemon or whatever, at one point. So a transgender woman on average probably has an advantage over a cisgender woman when it comes to playing video games, but this Advantage is not biological in any way, and merely boils down to the average transgender woman being more likely to have prior experience than the average cisgender woman.
Which has the slight possibility of being a minor factor in a woman's only Esports League.
But only a minor one, and not one worth disqualifying anyone over, because there it isn't like there was this period of time where it was illegal for young girls to play video games just not very common. But there were also plenty of boys who didn't grow up playing video games, as the hobby has been a niche for most of its existence.
And even then the point is moot because Esports leagues are not segregated by gender in the first place, meaning any social gender-based advantage wouldn't even be a factor in how the game is judged or viewed.
Tl;dr
Transphobes do not give a shit about transgender women having some kind of magical advantage that comes with growing breasts later in life than the transgender woman in question would have wanted to. What transphobes are mad about is the fact that one of "them" is somewhere where the public the can see her, instead of at the back of the bus.
When we are talking about esports we are not talking about "the average" person. I know a lot of women who played video games religiously and two people in the hobby of video-games have no real advantage over the other based on experience.
What stops a lot of the participation of women who play in esports and things like competition trading card games is the culture that places them under a microscope because of their sex or that constantly treats their participation as a novelty. Growing up with a male socialization doesn't help on that front because the application of misogyny is often not something that trans women were raised in to find the various forms of resistance or coping as normal. Trans women facing misogyny often are paralysed at first by just not knowing what to do. A lot of them lean on trans masculine people a bit to trade the tricks and tips normally passed woman to woman to deal with a whole different set of social expectations and form strategies to deal with threatening men knowing your muscle mass is below par enough to never be trusted to keep you generally safe ever again. If a space is hostile towards women trans women are usually equally vulnerable or worse because they're still figuring everything out without the benefit of a period being a young girl where the support system recognizes their vulnerability and lack of experience and is prepped to correct, advise, help and hone survival instincts. Trans women also can't naturally assume the cis women in the room will watch their backs the same way they would a cis woman.
What a lot of transphobes seem to latch onto is this idea that the dangers and roadblocks they are used to encountering can't also apply to trans women. Cis women must be the most in danger and the most worthy of protection and their spaces cloistered because to accept that trans women need the same social support is to have sympathy for someone they see as privileged... However trans women often actively surrender their male privileges good and bad without gaining the security net of solidarity with other people lacking that privilege. Banning them from women centric communities and spaces denies them those secure bonds and makes them overall more vulnerable.
I agree with everything you just said
I'm not on twitter, so I don't know all the details of the Magic Moonshot incident, but a friend explained the highlights to me the other day.
Halo Infinite has a deal set up with a independent community channel of casters called LVT. Halo/Microsoft/343 (however you choose it) doesn't care enough to cover the full spectrum of matches and play at their tournaments, so LVT is given access to cover that live feed and cast from the events. The only woman that was part of their team of casters goes by the name Magic Moonshot. Recently she set up a women's tournament (non-sanctioned and no prize pool) and went to the mats to exclude a transgender woman from the event. She would not budge and it comes out that instead of any skill gap or game knowledge issue, she just won't allow it for religious reasons. I had heard she spelled it out like a true frothing transphobic zealot, and it sparked a whole message from everyone in the community that #haloisforeveryone. She has refused to apologize or walk any of it back and as far as I know is now exiled from the channel and community.
So the only woman actually casting play by play halo matches during tournaments is now gone due to her own prejudice. Not everyone liked her commentary or personality but it was so important that she was there just to keep pushing toward greater inclusivity in the FPS game casting world. A real cutting off your nose to spite your own face moment.
The main stage desk host for Halo (Lottie) is a woman though. So while thankfully there's still some representation, it's not really the same thing. Hopefully Halo reads the room and gives a transgender person the opportunity to fill one of these roles in the near future. While the game is largely a toxic cesspool, it's important that everyone feels represented in the community and that people can see things through a unique perspective. I have little hope for that at the moment though with the abhorrent rise in anti-trans rhetoric and corporations trying to stay neutral enough to avoid criticism of having an opinion on it.
Fucking stupid country.
Women are at an unfair advantage when competing against men in fishing. History has shown that men almost always report larger than actual fish size. The discrepency is more pronounced the smaller the fish is. This bias in measurement has drifted over to penis size as well.
Both accurately described as 'a wriggler'
I never knew organized animal torture was a gendered pastime
When you put it that way it sounds significantly cooler
TERFs are the feminist equivalent of "fuck you, I've got mine". People that didn't have to go through the struggles of inclusion now excluding others.
Why is there an issue with 'trans' but not 'women's'? If they're going to divide up (exclude) sexes, perhaps make a 'trans' competition too.
Seriously. Do they think men have an advantage over women because it's normal for a dad to take his son fishing growing up? I really can't think of any other reason.
Women's sport is not necessarily about having a physical advantage. It can be the case that the sport is simply male dominated and then, especially when there's no physical reason, women may feel like it should be advertised to girls more. And that's what then leads them to organize women-only championships.
Exactly, which is why e-sports sometimes have women's tournaments. Genders play no role here but it's a male dominated sport
Well yeah, thats pretty much it. The womens team is there to get more women in fishing. Sure, a dad might take his daughter to the lake to fish and the deer lease to hunt a few times, but its not as common as a dad taking his son.
I’ve been noticing a lot of female teams have been complaining about trans people competing with them, does anyone know what their problem is?
Trans exclusive radical feminism
A lot of it comes down to the perception of privilege. A lot of people believe that trans women basically have all of the privileges inherent to being an able-bodied cis man so their assumption of participation in a female centric space is to weild their privilege to unfair advantage....
However women's sport leagues fall into different reasons for existing. For some it is because of a perceived difference of physiology... In which case the issue is what original puberty the athlete went through. Technically if an athlete transitions early and never goes through male puberty at all you basically remove that issue.... But then people start being incensed that someone transitioned at 16 with the a-okay of an entire team of doctors, social workers, therapists and the blessings of the legal guardians. It is easier for them to just assume that there is no solution that allows fair inclusion on this front.
Or
The second type of league exists to combat a systematic rejection of women through treating them as novelties or inferiors. Nobody generally wants to do something for fulfillment, bragging rights or fun if it requires them to wade through being treated like a second class citizen. The exclusion of trans women from these communities assume that trans women do not experience the same forces of misogyny that drive cis women from sport and assumes trans women can just re-don all of their male privileges whenever they feel like... Something that doesn't really happen. From personal experience within the community trans women are often REALLY vulnerable to misogyny. They just freeze up and have no idea how to deal with it. They didn't get a training period where elder women assumed they were inexperienced and helped them learn how to deal or strategies how to stay safe or safe places to retreat to where they could find solidarity. A lot of them just stumble into danger with a lot of cis women just leaving them out to dry thinking they are innately strong enough to deal. The exclusion of trans women from these spaces takes a rather callous vein of every one removing all forms of solidarity from all sides of sport. The trans woman looking for a place to do something they are extremely passionate and talented in basically is told that she can either put up with being thrown into the misogyny heavy lions den and treated by all sides as novelty, a reason others can point to to discredit the rest of the needs of the trans community or just as a man (something that for a trans person causes a cascade of negative mental health effects) or she can disappear from the sport entirely...ignoring that similar situations are what caused a segregated woman's league to be established in the first place.
The first assumes male privilege of body fat and muscle distribution. The second assumes an intrinsic male social privilege remains relevant. A lot of people want to assert that a loss of male privilege isn't possible. It's just someone with it trying to angle for an unfair advantage rather than someone who just needs the solidarity of other people who lack privilege in a similar way they do.
OK, I may be wrong on this one, and I may have my inbox murdered for this, but I am on the fence here. No, not because I feel the trans woman has any advantages over the other women, but in a sport like fishing, or even esports, there are women's leagues because the men dominate the current participation rosters, have better sponsors and training and equipment and therefore make it exclusionary to women. Having a women's league promotes being more inclusive in the sport and creating a level (not fair, level) playing field for those who would typically not get the opportunity to compete.
I know this is further complicated by the fact that trans people are even more marginalized than women, and should therefore have more encouragement to participate in these competitions.
My view is that I would let the trans woman participate, I just also get the fact that some people may have reasonable feelings relating to why they feel this kind of thing does a disservice to them. But then there are other people who are just discriminatory assholes. I get that too.