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I reckon she didn't have a bazooka. No 2nd amendmente of course. This is the land of the free (violence), after all.. what's the news? /s ...
Remember:
1] The US public has no right to film ICE (per the DOJ). 2] ICE has complete immunity, and you have no due process. 3] ICE hates cameras.
4] therefore, it's illegal to film ICE. (do it anyway)
You have a constitutional right to film from a safe distance while on public land like sidewalks, etc. ICE is breaking the law wholesale by targeting citizens exercising their 1st Amendment rights.
ICE is breaking the law wholesale by targeting citizens exercising their 1st Amendment rights
Yes, you're in the right, and ICE is in the wrong, and keep filming them, just know that being right isn't always healthy.
Remember: Filming ICE is the peaceful alternative.
If you start a line with "1. " (as in: one period space) then it'll be treated like a numbered list. You don't have to increment the number, just keep using 1.
If you do illegal things, you’ll put put into the criminal category they want to put you into anyway. Resisting qualifies you as criminal as well.
So there is no incentive to comply.
According to the bootlicking chodes I've argued with recently, just existing anywhere near ICE performing their kidnapping operations is obstruction.
Apparently getting shot in the back 10 times is excusable if you were somehow preventing ICE from disappearing people by standing on a public sidewalk. It's total psychopath abuser mentality.
Treat them like crimminals is a good long term strategy where law enforcment works for its citizens.
Jumping out with guns drawn. This looks like a gang robbery.
The way they whipped up and piled out I 100% thought they were about to carjack someone.
The woman’s husband eventually arrives and tries to intervene, and he made a separate recording of the interaction on his phone. He tells the agents not to search her car because they don't have a warrant and it would be an illegal search. The agents appear dismissive of his constitutional concerns.
"I'm not getting into the legality of everything," one agent responds tersely.
MPR News interviewed the woman and her husband, who also doesn't want to be identified, fearing retaliation.
The woman said the agents put her into one of their vehicles and started driving toward the Twin Cities, presumably to the Whipple Federal Building near MSP Airport, where ICE has an immigration detention facility. About 20 minutes into the drive, when they were near Le Sueur, she says one of the agents got a call, apparently from an ICE supervisor. They turned off Highway 169 at the next exit and drove back toward St. Peter.
The husband told MPR News that after his wife was taken into custody, he called his attorney, and soon after, he got a call from St. Peter Chief of Police Matt Grochow, whom he said he has known for years.
Bolded above.
Observations:
They execute a high-speed box stop which is dangerous to not just the innocent observer, but bystanders, all while there is zero evidence of any illegal conduct happening.
From the recording they all had guns drawn and pointed from the moment they stepped out of the car, meaning there was no escalation - they emerged ready to use deadly force without any grounds or justification. The only explanation is intent to kill or unlawfully intimidate.
Those thugs were potentially driving her to be flown out of Minnesota. After that, who knows. They were informed of the unconstitutionality of an illegal search and demonstrated they didn't care.
The only reason she was saved was that the husband knew the local chief of police, which - while great and especially nice for local communities where this is more common - is certainly not going to apply to everyone.
In any normal timeline they would all be fired and potentially be the basis for a constitutional rights violation suit for multiple reasons above.
At this rate, we're going to literally have ICE agents hanging from lamp posts soon enough.
And frankly, anyone still saying, "but they'll use that as an excuse to escalate," can shove it up their ass.
I hope so. I don't think Americans have the gumption to stand up for themselves though.
Escalate to where? They are already executing US citizens in the street who haven't done anything remotely illegal?
And not even receiving fake punishments to try and reassure the public that's not what is actually happening.
Escalate to where?
Tiananmen Square style massacre. Oligarchs saw that in 89 and thought, gee I'd like to do that in America and put the little people in their place.
Escalate to where?
I get the sentiment, but there's always a way to escalate. Right now these cop school rejects are driving rented civilian vehicles, using ordinary cop weapons. Start actually posing a threat and you'll see the bozos drive APCs. Start using molotovs on their APCs, and ICE will get armed drones and even more twitchy trigger fingers on larger weapons.
I'm not arguing that you shouldn't fight back, but governments rely on having a violence monopoly. If you threaten that monopoly, then the government will use more force.
So just roll over
I'm not saying roll over. Just be prepared for your opponent escalating and to keep fighting. Because if you take a couple of potshots at ICE, and then give up when the going gets tough, then you'd might as well have rolled over to begin with.
At this rate, we'll be forced to house ICE agents. I really think they'll try.
The 3rd amendment is one of the last parts of the bill of rights that hasn't been shit on. So it's only a matter of time.
Thats a fucking gang attempting kidnapping
The piece of shit Trump wants a civil war. This is how he will get it. Fuck ICE. Fuck Trump. And FUCK everyone who wants this.
If I am boxed in by a car with no police lights with masked men jumping out and immediately pointing guns at me..... Floor it. This is self defense because I have no way of knowing who is threatening my life. With guns drawn you can't see POLICE on the vests either.
I would prefer that and deal with the aftermath after.
I mean, they jumped out with guns drawn. There was really no chance to move the car at that point and survive. They did it to Renee Good. They'll do it again.
The aftermath might be you're dead... but eventually this is going to happen and they will survive and it's going to go to court. I would love to see the precedent get set that it was indeed self defense.
This masked non identifying shit is insane.
Sounds like a case of in for a penny in for a pound. Don't let kidnappers take you to point b.
Look at that terrible technique — swerving dangerously. They are untrained clowns being prepared to become trumps personal militia.
How about pointing all their guns at the driver then assaulting her physically? That's also terrible technique.
Something to remember about situations like this where time is of the essence, don't just yell "Someone call 911/for help!" Actually DESIGNATE someone from the crowd to do so. The bystander effect assumes that someone else will do it. Don't let people think like that. While doing CPR, you're told to point specifically at someone to call for assistance. Same goes for something like this.
I won't be impressed until police officers start actually arresting these fake "federal agents" when they assault someone. Put the fear of the actual law in these lawless motherfuckers.
Police are Allowed to Protect people AGAINST ICE?
They'll only do it if they are friends. Husband said in an article that he has known the chief of police for years.
