Thats good. The entry friction is really the most important thing when trying to get new users.
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It's already easy
Everything is easy if you can put up with an amount of friction. Most people don’t want to deal with friction.
Depends on.
The regular social-media user for example will disagree with you.
It doesn't need to be easy, it has to be nearly effortless and no unknown procedure for people to switch. E.g. writing one sentence to get an lemmy account is wayyyy to much for most people.
"Now when new users join Mastodon from the mobile app, they may see a button to “join” a recommended server rather than the default “join mastodon.social” button that’s currently displayed." Wow. Didn't know that mentioning a server adds complexity. The bar is very low nowadays with all things digital.
I see it as a filter.
You have to be this motivated to join.
The fediverse does not care about high user number count. It cares about people who interact and fill it with content. If you can't be bothered to select a server, you don't pass the minimum threshold required to get your account hosted.
I wonder why people see selecting a server as a hurdle when that's exactly what they're asked to do when making an email address
Because the term is loaded. There are technical implications (who will you be federated with and how do I connect with them?), and it's jurisdictional (which laws apply when I post here?). Also, for non-technical people, you only hear the word "server" in techno-babble word salad from movies. I don't blame them at all for being confused.
Problem is, younger people don't even do that when they make an email address.
They just "create a Gmail".
The internet has become such a sad place.
not even that. when setting up their first smartphone, either them or their parents just accept to create a google account
People don't know what choosing a server entails, because it does matter and a lot of people aren't exactly helpful when they say "just pick any" or "it's like email"
Server choice matters because:
- Server might federate with a limited number of other servers;
- Server might be blacklisted by some servers which you might want to interact with;
- Servers can be running different versions of software, so people might think about security;
- Servers can go offline
- Server choice can significantly impact how people perceive you. "Oh look, another tankie from ml"
So, server choice matters and people coming in from corporate shit don't know how much they need to know to make an informed decision, thus giving up.
Yeah I was pretty disappointed when my server started limiting what political servers I see by default. I want it to show up and then choose for myself, not have to sell out every community. Their supposed to just showvup. It's not like they were nazis or porn even.
- Your server is your algorithm. That's what the local feed is for. If you pick a server that caters to your interest, then the local feed becomes a potent discovery tool. That's even more true for non-English communities because English language content is probably going to drown out everything else on the all/global feed
Yeah, figuring out Instances with Lemmy took several days for me. Lemmy.world simply wasn't fit for my purposes, and potentially could have made me tune out the entire Lemmy ecosystem. I was like "this is it?".
Boy I don't need the childrape administration to declassify extraterrestrial UFO documents when I can talk to space aliens right here on Lemmy. That's not how email works and if you were a placental mammal you'd know that.
You don't go to email.org, click Join and arrive on a page that says "Thank you for your interest in Email: the open, federated, ethical, cage-free non-instant text messaging standard of the web! To continue, select one of these 44 providers based on a badly rendered logo and three almost identical bullet points. Don't worry, the decision doesn't matter...well it kinda does, for reasons that aren't going to be explained to you up front, so pick one at random, get the lay of the land, then come back and join for real."
No, the majority of people ended up with an email account while signing up for another service, such as gmail accounts for Android users or icloud accounts for iPhone users. You probably have an outlook account if you use Windows (or if you're a certain age, a hotmail account). If you're a dad, you have an email account from your ISP, or you got one from work or school. If you sought out something beyond that, like Protonmail or hosting on your own domain, you started looking for a provider with some shopping criteria in mind.
you're not wrong but you could've delivered that more nicely lmfao
What's my username?
I'm guessing you haven't gotten a promotion in some time.
I do occasionally receive a temporary field promotion to Major Aggravated.
Huh, I could have sworn it said MrNiceGuy a minute ago
It is simple: nowadays security awareness is drilled in for most of the online population. If presented with a choice people can't oversee, the default safest option is not to chose. I mean, how many new Mastodon users know any of these servers?
So, as couter-intuitive or even ironic it may seem, the "problem" is choice. People need to learn that social media is no longer a single entity, but more like email or choosing a bank.
I initially looked up a few servers, then I chose one with decent size and no prohibitive policies. Less than 24 hours after creating the account I got banned without reason. I appealed. No answer.
I guessed I was just unlucky, so I found another decent looking server. After creating an account, it took around 2-3 hours and I was banned. I appealed. No answer.
I guess the username was a bit too random andmaybe looked like it was created by a bot. It had a lot of random letters, but it was my usual username. I would assume an appeal would sort it out. Or atleast lead me to an answer.
So my third attempt, I chose another server which looked fine and created a user with a simpler username. A few months later, the server shut down.
So now I'm on my 4th account.
It's not like it was a huge hassle to create the accounts, but it's also not like the system is without issues.
Well I was used to MMOs with different servers and I thought I’d have to create an account for each if I wanted to be with my friends. I didn’t know Mastodon was NOT a mere Twitter alternative, and I wasn’t familiar with the concept of the fediverse.
I used to visit the verge all the time, but their paywalls have gotten so aggressive, I just wrote them off.
I get it, but also the internet sucks these days and it's hard to make money on advertising alone. I can't blame a reputable journal for asking for money to see the articles they publish, and since I tolerate all sorts of patreon business models, I have to be realistic in thinking that this is going to be the only path forward for real journalism. It's a shame, but it just seems to have worked out this way.
I get it, but reader-funded journalism is always better than advertiser-funded. But if the reporting isn’t worth paying for to you, I don’t blame you for skipping them. I feel the same way some times. One article might be worth paying for but I’m not so interested in what they report to justify a full subscription.
You're part of the problem.
This is all about maximizing profit. Their site is covered in ads as well.
Please stop defending the people taking your money or showing you ads.
I don’t pay for the Verge, and if I did and still saw ads, I definitely wouldn’t renew. “Maximizing profit” only works, if we fold. If we fold to ad supported journalism, then companies will plaster their sites with ads. The market regulates itself if the consumer is principled enough. The problem is that your average consumer is weak willed and less-than-principled. I’m fine going without even if it ends up being a pointless endeavor.
I'm glad they are taking steps to make the platform more accessible. Especially starter packs are important. This will make a difference if people can be convinced to give it another try.
Yeah they hired / got on board one of the most senior designers fra earlier google and apple
any improvements are always welcome; average users have become accustomed to seamless onboarding - primarily on mobile
Please stop using archive . today and its other domains.
In the past, they prevented Cloudflare DNS users from resolving the site, because Cloudflare didn't forward EDNS data that would allow Archive.today to dox users.
And recently, they embedded malicious DDOS code into their captcha that would cause visitors to unknowingly DDOS someone.
They are extremely shady and no one should be using them.
I'd take an alternative if you've got one. Otherwise, unless there's a serious change for the worse, I'm probably going to keep posting them. Sorry!
Here's your alternative:
unless there's a serious change for the worse, I'm probably going to keep posting them. Sorry!
How is highjacking your traffic to maliciously DDOS someone without your consent not a "serious change for the worse" ...???
You know that's not a real alternative. I wish it was -- it'd make all of this a hell of a lot easier to navigate. But it just isn't.
I really, genuinely, no sarcasm, do not understand why it's not a real alternative.
Scroll down. Archive.today can archive things other services can't. That's why Wikipedia was in a panic about the verifiability crisis removing their 700 000 links would cause. Most can't be replaced.
Okay, I'm just gonna explain where I'm at with this right now and why.
This isn't a huge issue for this community but for our hard news discussion communities, abandoning archive.today would instantly make a large amount of news inaccessible (probably 1/3 or more, but that's just a guess) to the vast majority. It could limit being fully informed to those with means. That would suck. It's a real harm.
We're in agreement that archive.today is problematic. We really need a working alternative. The ddos attack is shitty and immature. It's a betrayal of trust. However, the victim stated in the Ars article you linked to that this hasn't really had any discernible impact on them. So for now it's a theoretical harm (and an abhorrent practice) vs a real harm.
For me, as it stands now, I'll use alternatives where I can and use archive.today where I can't because I care a lot about that harm. I'll be ecstatic when a real alternative emerges. Like Wikipedia fell into different camps, we're probably similar. I respect that you come down on this differently, but that's where I'm at with this.
This is what I see?
