Also worth noting that outside of war motorcyles are incredibly loud too, and I hate them for it, why can't my big ass car make more noise than a tiny ICE engine?

What the hell kind of nonsense normalized motorcycles with zero effective noise mitigation on them?

My least favorite experience while standing on top of a beautiful mountain is managing to still somehow hear a stupid Harley Davidson from like 30km away accelerating onto the highway. When your silly midlife crisis vehicle with a tiny engine makes more noise than a fully loaded 18-wheeler engaging its jake breaks, you are officially an asshole.

I can't wait for the day motorcyles are all electric, the amount of silence that has been arbitrarily demolished by unnecessarily loud motorcyle engines is suffocating lol.

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 2 points 2 weeks ago

I gave up riding about 15 years ago because of something similar that occured. We were dual sport riding as a group (sealed roads, forest roads,single tracks) going though a park area on the top of a mountain to the other side.

There was someone getting married at the tio with lots of guests etc, our bikes were LOUD and we all went right past the park. This was a couple years before i gave up, i ruminated on this for a time and thought how we very likely ruined that ladies idyllic forest wedding and eventually gave up riding because of it.

Now, i live in a small rural village with endless forest roads and trails and have been exploring them on my e mountain bike, the one super annoying thing ? Loud fucking motor bikes :)

but at 60 the longer rides up mountains are getting a bit much so I hope to get a Stark Varg EX (electric) later this year, sling my Hennesy Hammock into my backpack and camp over night in the forest.

[+] Doomsider@lemmy.world -9 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

A couple things. First, loud pipes save lives. Second, your car is much louder just remove the headers.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Second, your car is much louder just remove the headers.

Yeah but why

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world -1 points 2 weeks ago

You literally said why can't your big ass car make that much sound. It can, much more than a motorcycle.

[–] OptimusPrimeDownfall@discuss.tchncs.de 3 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

There's at least one study that says they don't.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (3 children)

I have avoided running into multiple bikes because I was able to hear them over the course of my life. I am going to have to call bullshit.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Increasingly idgaf if motorcycles are particularly loud, so long as the noise limits in my municipality are reasonable to pedestrians and people sleeping, and are actually enforced. In short, keep your loud pipes if you insist that they keep you safe, but keep them away from where I live. In the meantime I actively encourage the development of visibility enhancement methods that don't disrupt everyone nearby.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Don't get me wrong, I can totally understand the hate that loud pipes generate. There are also assholes who do things like idle their loud bikes in their driveways for half an hour in the morning.

[–] OptimusPrimeDownfall@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Do you drive with the music at a low volume? Or with your windows down? Or do you have a car that is not very soundproof? If so, then yeah, you're going to be different than that study since no study is perfect.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

The study was just stupid. You can't hear exhaust because it is pointed the wrong direction!? It is like these idiots don't even know sound travels in all directions far faster than any vehicle.

I guess you can't hear fire engines or trains coming either because you are playing music at 100 decibels with your sound cancelling headphones on. Just dumb.

One time I was in a parking lot backing up when I heard a Harley and came to a stop. Avoided an accident. Numerous times driving on the highway getting ready for a lane change when I noticed a sound and double checked my blind spot. Surprise, a motorcycle was there.

[–] DragonTypeWyvern@midwest.social 1 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Yeah this is demanding someone prove a negative. They also haven't proven speed bumps have saved any lives, but they have proven it reduces speeds in parking lots.

[–] unpossum@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Loud pipes save the lives of the people driving around on them, mostly, so not sure that’s a good argument

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (2 children)

It refers to the fact that driving motorcycles around cars is extremely dangerous. Driver's often ignore motorcycles and loud pipes are the one thing that keep a lot of motorcyclists from being run over.

[–] BeardedBlaze@lemmy.world 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

This myth is still going strong I see

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world -2 points 2 weeks ago

I am a bit of a seasoned driver and I grew up in the Seattle area. I have had a number of close calls and the motorcycles being loud was 100% a protective factor.

You can pretend whatever you want, but clearly I can't agree with you.

[–] unpossum@sh.itjust.works 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Yes. That’s what I said.

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

I am pretty sure you said

"Loud pipes save the lives of the people driving around on them, mostly, so not sure that’s a good argument"

Save the lives of people driving around them is not what loud pipes save lives means. I was just pointing that out. Cheers!

[–] Hawke@lemmy.world 3 points 2 weeks ago

“Driving around on them” is different from “driving around them”

[–] hanrahan@slrpnk.net 0 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

As someone who has ridden motorcycles for most of their life, that IS bullshit. It's a meme motorcyclists use to justify their bullshit

[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 1 points 2 weeks ago

Yeah, going to call bullshit unless you ride an electric bike. As someone who has driven longer than most here have been alive I can attest that motorcycle being loud has prevented accidents.

If you drive motorcycles you would know how drivers ignore you and at some point will likely kill you. Sound is just one way to help increase visibility and it works. This is reality.

[–] Cort@lemmy.world 7 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Daaaang, somebody needs to clone that trailer design for ebikes. A flatbed with an optional waterproof cargo container would be sick. Axle looks kinda pinner tho

[–] LastYearsIrritant@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 weeks ago

Kinda looks like a car topper on a small bike trailer. Probably wouldn't be too tough to make one.

[–] rants_unnecessarily@piefed.social 6 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

They know it's not oil. But they have the necessity of stretching that oil as far as they possibly can.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 3 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

I don't disagree with that assessment, but from that perspective one of the broad longterm drivers for the onset of full-on-war in 2022 was driven by the structural dead end that russia set itself up with with regards to the green energy transition leaving them in the dust with hardly any domestic industry focused on it.

Setting themselves up to fail, they could only see Europe's attempt to begin to slowly move away from dependence on fossil fuels, russia's included, as a direct impetus to war because they were already out of options.

In other words, launching the "3 day special military operation" was part of that stretching.

These were choices russia made and committed to in their stupidity that made the warpath the only path they would accept in their hubris.

[–] Alcoholicorn@mander.xyz 0 points 2 weeks ago

the structural dead end that russia set itself up with with regards to the green energy transition

Sell europe gas, buy solar panels from China, problem solved.

In other words, launching the “3 day special military operation” was part of that stretching.

No matter how it went, the 3 day operation was always going to increase Europe's impetus for transitioning. Russia went to war in spite of their economic ties to Europe, not to maintain them.

You're falling into the trap of just assigning any bad motivations to a group you don't like, instead of actually considering their perspective.