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submitted 1 day ago* (last edited 7 hours ago) by MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world to c/linuxmemes@lemmy.world

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DISCLAIMER: Arch Linux is not a beginner friendly distribution, and this is not a recommendation or good practice.

I know how to use pacman -S. I have yet to experience a Discover related issue after months of use.

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[–] meow@discuss.tchncs.de -5 points 2 hours ago (2 children)

Im sorry for all actual arch users, who are contrary to all stereotypes, not posers. If you feel the need to use Arch, and then use kde discover, or any other gui, and flatpak based installers, why are you using it in the first place?

The CLI way, and btw the ACTUAL way the devs intended to install mainstream software for YOUR distro, is legitimately far less hard than any of you make it seem like.

So, if you plan on using your distro correctly, and plan on stability, use your lovely package manager, or switch. You can get a rolling release distro everywhere else too, you can change every system file, everywhere else, you can change your fucking fast-/neofetch output, if you need to.

Just use a distro that is for your skill level.

Btw its:

Pacman, and then -S for install, -y for your repos, and -u is for updates.

So do me a favor and dont try to suffer.

Thanks for reading my mindless babbling and weird, maybe even contradictory logic, have fun :3

[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 1 points 44 minutes ago

Mainly due to senior coworker influence lmao. I'm planning to VM some other KDE distros soon, but Arch is good enough for now, haven't had much more than minor nuisances.

also, I know pacman -Syu. That's my second-most-used command (after yt-dlp)

[–] LwL@lemmy.world 3 points 1 hour ago

Having steam installed both ways was the easiest way to be logged in to 2 steam accounts simultaneously.

But also why does it matter, the whole point of arch is that you can turn it into whatever the hell you want. If that means using discover as your main source for programs, then so be it.

[–] bequirtle@lemmy.world 12 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

IME, KDE Discover and similar app stores are so unreliable, telling beginners to use them is akin to harmful misinformation

If you need a GUI software manager, my suggestion is to not use arch

[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 1 points 7 hours ago

Oh yeah, I added a disclaimer.

[–] SpongyAneurysm@feddit.org 4 points 12 hours ago

Hard agree. I always struggled when using Discover, as a Beginner. Don't know if I could make it work now as a more experienced user, Because I don't use it and don't have a need to. Learning how to use 'pacman -S $pkg_name' was super simple and is very fast. Sure I don't have a nice GUI, that lets me browse what apps are there to be installed, but I have a webbrowser for that.

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[–] Speiser0@feddit.org 28 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

Installing something on arch is easy imo. The CLI is simple and well enough documented, and the package build system is easy to use. For comparison with ubuntu: pacman -S name is not harder than apt install name. And try to install something on ubuntu if it's not in the official package repos.

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

ubuntu: pacman -S name is not harder than apt install name.

Eh, it's a teensy bit harder, since you have to remember what -S means, rather than the easy to remember and plain English 'install'. But, yeah, not much of a difference.

And try to install something on ubuntu if it’s not in the official package repos.

1: Go to that something's website.

2: look for their download/install instructions page, scroll to Linux instructions if necessary.

3: Install instructions for Debian/Ubuntu are usually the first one listed, and typically just consist of a few commands you can copy and paste over without modifying.

It isn't particularly difficult in most cases.

[–] Nalivai@lemmy.world 3 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 11 hours ago)

4: those commands were written for previous version of Ubuntu and now dependency tree doesn't compute, also one of the commands is to add their custom repo, and you don't have keys for it so it doesn't work anyway. You try to remove the bad repo and now your apt is all fucked. You regenerate your repo list, googled the package and your version name, random stackexchage page gave you their live repo, but it needs a newer version of a library that incompatible with 54 of something that you already have. You learn about snap, installed 43Gb of something, it exists but still doesn't really work because package maintaiers didn't actually move it to snap, it was someone else. By this point you copy-pasted so many commands into your terminal you afraid it gained sentience. You call your more computer literate friend, he starts saying something about incompatible dependancies, containers, and you don't really understand much. By the end, you decide that you didn't actually want the software.
Later you discover that your sound doesn't work anymore, and there is an error when you reboot.

Good ending: you installed Arch, installed yay and instead of remembering unmemorable -S you just do yay package_name and you're very happy with your choices.

[–] Petter1@discuss.tchncs.de 53 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (2 children)

It should be “yay [wanted program]” instead of “KDE discovery” in my opinion

[–] iamthetot@piefed.ca 14 points 19 hours ago

Paru

[–] marcos@lemmy.world 8 points 21 hours ago (3 children)

Does yay integrate with flatpack and snap?

[–] moopet@sh.itjust.works 1 points 2 hours ago

No, but then flatpak and snap fail most of the time anyway.

[–] flameleaf@lemmy.world 9 points 14 hours ago

AUR pkgbuild files are basically just bash scripts. You can integrate them with anything.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 39 points 19 hours ago

Why the hell would I want snap?

[–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 30 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Did pacman get packagekit support or are we just talking about flatpaks here?

[–] Saapas@piefed.zip 45 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Arch Wiki has still this warning

Warning

As explained in a GitHub comment by a Package Maintainer, "Handling system packages via packagekit is just fundamentally incompatible with our high-maintenance rolling release distro, where any update might leave the system in an unbootable or otherwise unusable state if the user does not take care reading pacman's logs or merging pacnew files before rebooting."

[–] humanamerican@lemmy.zip 13 points 1 day ago (1 children)

So its less about lack of packagekit support in pacman and more about lack of manual intervention features in GUI software managers?

[–] protogen420@lemmy.blahaj.zone 11 points 23 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (2 children)

it is more about arch's philosy being your system may not boot next update, happens pretty much no where else, except windows, manjaro and sometimes ubuntu

[–] OwOarchist@pawb.social 3 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)

it is more about arch’s philosy being your system may not boot next update

Yeah ... no thanks. I'll be okay with slightly outdated versions of various packages, as long as they still work.

[–] tempest@lemmy.ca 3 points 6 hours ago

I mean I've been running an arch derivative for nearly ten years and the last time I got got was an Nvidia driver bug in 2020.

As much as arch talks about it it doesn't happen that often.

[–] caseyweederman@lemmy.ca 2 points 11 hours ago

I'm not sure it's ever happened to me. I imagine it must have, because of Arch's reputation, but I can't recall it ever actually happening to me personally.

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[–] Anafabula@discuss.tchncs.de 18 points 1 day ago (1 children)

It has been working for a while, but it's not recommended

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[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 15 points 22 hours ago (1 children)

Yay -S "Am I a joke for you?"

[–] ArmoredThirteen@lemmy.zip 4 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

I've just been using yay, what does the -S do am I missing something important?

[–] ekZepp@lemmy.world 5 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

-S, --sync

Synchronize packages. Packages are installed directly from the remote repositories, including all dependencies required to run the packages.

[–] floquant@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 13 hours ago

Technically correct answer but not super helpful imo. yay <package name> starts a search from which you enter your selection(s) from matches. yay -S <package name> installs the package directly, errors if it's not found

[–] blinfabian@feddit.nl 9 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

pacman -S app

[–] trolololol@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Oh is that how you guys install snaps?

/evil laugh

[–] Brokkr@lemmy.world 12 points 1 day ago (12 children)

I'm not an expert, but I thought on Arch you are specifically not supposed to use the discover store because it can cause partial updates which can in turn cause major problems.

However, the point still stands, pacman and the AUR are easy and have nearly everything.

[–] anyhow2503@lemmy.world 14 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

The AUR is a great resource but it's also being sold as a package repository users don't need to actively think about or understand. I honestly think malware is going to be much more common on the AUR if we aren't careful.

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