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Full disclosure - I am slightly drunk.

I just wanted to say based on trends I am seeing in my very non-scientific observations on social media - support for Israel and Zionism has completely collapsed. Like you might as well say 'fuck the troops' collapsed.

I hate Isreal and I hate Zionism, but I am concerned based on my own personal experiences about how easily this is turned into straight up 'hitler was right' rhetoric.

And I think this is what Zionists wanted. What is the best way forward with anti-zionst movement?

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[–] vovchik_ilich@hexbear.net 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Why focus on antisemitism and not on, you know, islamophobia, the entire justification for this conflict and a vastly more pervasive, direct, strong and harmful form racism?

[–] homhom9000@hexbear.net 10 points 2 days ago

Something that is absolutely rising as sitting congressfolk tweet about Muslim bans and rage over Mamdani's iftar and general existence

[–] MohammedTheCommunistPalestinian@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Like you might as well say 'fuck the troops' collapsed.

in what way did fuck the troops collapse ???

FUCK THE TROOPS

THE US MILITARY BELONGS IN HELL

[–] ThermonuclearHoxha@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

I'm hoping OP might have meant like support for the amerikkka and isntrael war crimes squad is getting so low to the point regular people even in the US would be willing to say 'fuck the troops.'

[–] SuperZutsuki@hexbear.net 31 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Never let them distance themselves from Nazism. Zionism is just Neo-Nazism. It's what every Neo-Nazi in Idaho wants for themselves, which is why they love Israel. For them, it's proof that you can have a stable ethnostate. The only way a person can look at Israel and think, "Hitler was right!" Is if by "right" they mean the tireless effort to construct an ethnostate based on settler-colonialism. Also, hasn't Israel literally used the term Lebensraum in regards to invading and occupying territory?

[–] birdcat@lemmy.ml 14 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Very much agree with this. There is no such thing as Antisemitism, its just another word fascism, Nazism, neo fascism whatever idk the correct terms; hate based on something a human is born with, human-hate, nothing more.

Still crazy how difficult it is to separate Jewishness/Jews from Israel. I'm in Vietnam and have friends who simply refuse job offers from any Israelis or just dont serve them. And I mean sure, some of them are completely crazy fascist and show it on Facebook or behave like assholes, but how to know which of them didn't just left Israel in a "fuck this shit, not in my name" mindset?

[–] purpleworm@hexbear.net 16 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Considering the history of Israelis in SE Asia, I think your friends are broadly making the right choice.

[–] birdcat@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago

More in every single case, kinda undersold it with "sure some..." cuz so far it was only completely unhinged, demanding and super rude ppl u cannot even imagine (not that this is a huge sampling group, its small, but still, makes u think). Probably right to worry about this shit once Israel as a state and concept is gone.

[–] SickSemper@hexbear.net 23 points 2 days ago

How can you fight a multi billion dollar world system basically designed to convince people that Jews are synonymous with israel? Step 1 is destroy israel and free the region from its colonial occupation. We can deal with the neonazis once children aren’t being immated by Jewish fascists

[–] sexywheat@hexbear.net 14 points 2 days ago

What is the best way forward with anti-zionst movement?

Same as it ever was. Read theory. Get people to ready theory.

How many times have you seen someone with their heart in the right place, but have no coherent worldview? Countless.

Even just spamming copies of the manifesto or Blackshirts and Reds would be a step forward.

[–] towhee@hexbear.net 19 points 2 days ago

Not my job to center Jewish perceptions of safety. That’s been the institutional focus in the US for the past few years and it has done fuck all other than entrench Zionism. If I see antisemitism I’ll call it out but I am not making this some kind of priority.

[–] MeetMeAtTheMovies@hexbear.net 22 points 2 days ago

I think this is what Zionists wanted

Part of Israel’s strategy is conflate Judaism with Zionism and then make Jews around the world feel unsafe in their homes. That way, they can say to them, “Come to Israel. Live here. You’ll be welcomed here.” And in that conflation of Jews with Zionists they’ve actively succeeded in their goal of making Jews less safe. Of course Israel’s rhetoric in defense of their atrocities leads to antisemitism. That’s the point.

[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

on my own personal experiences about how easily this is turned into straight up 'hitler was right' rhetoric.

Anybody saying "hitler was right" is just a zionist, you're worrying about a hasbara op.

[–] birdcat@lemmy.ml 10 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (2 children)

The last time I've heard something similar (... just too bad he didn't succeeded) I was in Iran. I think it's a mistake to assume that only "the others" can fall into such traps, no one is immune to fascist ideology.

~~Also not sure if relevant now, but I think it was also a mistake to run with Epstein Fury, Epstein class etc. Cuz it can suggest that Israel (aka "the Jews") are behind of it all, which could backfire. I've made a joke a few days ago that suggests that Bibi has compromising Video material of Trump that made Trump enter the war, which I would not do again now. Sounds stupid, but I was simply not aware that there are people who legit believe this. As clarification: if Bibi had tried to blackmail Trump in ANY way shape or form, it would have turned out pretty much like this.~~ (thinking about it, that was a bad take, cannot consider all possible conclusions which the biggest idiots might land on)

[–] hello_hello@hexbear.net 4 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Nobody is unaffected by propaganda but you can shut those people up by linking them to Joe Biden soundbite where he says that if there wasn't an Israel in the region then the US would invent one. If western Europe had not betrayed the soviets and actually intervened and deposed Hitler then the holocaust would have been prevented and Israel would not have its mythos as being restitution for Jewish pain.

The difference between fascists and comrades is that comrades listen to reason.

[–] HexReplyBot@hexbear.net 1 points 2 days ago

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