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[–] tomatolung@lemmy.world 51 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

It's really worth reading: https://hntrbrk.com/demining-hormuz/ which TWZ references regarding the demining.

The ending is below as I just had to shake my head and slap my face.

The Washington Institute estimated years ago that clearing the Strait of Hormuz of mines could require “up to 16 MCM vessels.” The Navy has seven. Iran has an estimated 5,000 to 6,000 mines and, according to U.S. intelligence in conversations with CNN, still retains “80% to 90% of its small boats and miners.”

The brief covered a recent MCM Advanced Tactical Training program, the final pre-deployment mine warfare assessment for LCS crews. 

Some key findings: 

Unreliable unmanned systems. Each Fleet-class USV mission requires over four hours of “pre-mission maintenance” and “1.5 hours of GPS/sonar calibration once launched,” according to the presentation. Multiple hunt missions were conducted where the sonar simply failed to record data — and crews didn’t know until the post-mission analysis. This is especially damaging during reacquire-and-identify missions, exactly the kind of work needed to clear a minefield. 

Operators have responded by shortening mission times, which defeats the purpose of using unmanned vehicles in the first place. One pre-deployment exercise with the USS Tulsa off the coast of San Diego resulted in a runaway MCM USV near Mexico’s territorial waters that could not be recovered by the mothership LCS. “Literally, the practice minefield I use is 1 mile north of the US-Mexico maritime border, and there’s a good chance that that UUV drifts or decides to go off on its own. I’m going to get demarched by the Mexican government,” said the leader of the U.S. Navy’s Mine Countermeasures Technical Division. The USVs themselves act as a handicap to minesweeping, with a short bandwidth range forcing the mothership LCS to operate near or inside minefields to maintain visual range to the USV’s antennas. 

Visual identification doesn’t work. U.S. MCM doctrine requires a camera to visually confirm mines — the AQS-20 has to drive directly over a bottom mine. But even the relatively clear waters off Southern California have defeated this approach. In the turbid, shallow, current-swept waters of the Persian Gulf, the problem would be far worse. The officer’s conclusion: The Navy needs to adopt high-granularity sonar identification, as other navies already have. 

Critical single-point failures. The platform lift between mission bay and hangar, the BIT test laptops for the USV/ALMDS/AMNS, the twin boom extensible crane, and the payload handling systems are all single-point failures with no spares or redundancy aboard. If any one of these breaks, operations stop. When describing the deployment arm, the Navy mine countermeasures lead said, “It is a troubling system. It is highly complex for what it does, and when it breaks, I’m out of a job, I’m out of a mission.”

Multi-mission dilution. The LCS was designed as a multi-mission platform. The addition of Naval Strike Missiles and pressure to support visit, board, search, and seize operations means crews have less time to build and maintain MCM proficiency. “So now my ship with an LCS mission package may not necessarily be practicing MCM.” The LCS platform is also being experimented on as a long-range strike platform. The director’s own conclusion: The LCS will always struggle to match a dedicated MCM vessel.

[–] apftwb@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)
[–] Gerudo@lemmy.zip 21 points 2 days ago

They literally have no idea what they are doing.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 32 points 2 days ago (1 children)

China is siding with Iran and Russia and making a move on Taiwan, and Tawainese chips are the one thing we care more about than oil.

trump thought he was in the dictator club, but they played him and are all making moves to increase their own terrorist and trump is left just standing between Iran and Israel with no path to any actual gain for all the trouble.

[–] kmartburrito@lemmy.world 18 points 2 days ago (1 children)

He's a fucking joke and always has been. Can't wait to read his obituary one day, hopefully sooner rather than later

[–] andallthat@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

Here lies DJT, a minor-fucking joke

[–] Grumpyleb@lemmus.org 17 points 2 days ago

Yet he want's the Europeans and the Far East to send their ships...

[–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 12 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

FTA:

UPDATE: 3/16/2026

U.S. Navy Commander Joe Hontz, a spokesperson for NAVCENT, has provided TWZ with the following statement:

“Tulsa and Santa Barbara are conducting brief logistical stops in Malaysia. U.S. forces routinely make port calls in Malaysia as part of our operations, reflecting the close and enduring military cooperation between the United States and Malaysia.”

[–] TropicalDingdong@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago

https://vger.to/lemmy.world/post/44314277

Actually it'll be up to a month before they get there. They can't even make it to Iran on their own. They've got to connect with the carrier group and then it will be a slow and steady.

[–] ZephyrXero@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I know there's other stuff to worry about here, but did they really name these ships Literal Combat Ships? (spelling modified on purpose)

[–] RidderSport@feddit.org 10 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yes, littoral as in closish to the shore. Basically glorified and extremely expensive but capable coast guard trimarans

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 1 points 2 days ago

littoral as in closish to the shore

or clittoral.

[–] magnetosphere@fedia.io 2 points 2 days ago

Glad they included the update. It contains CRUCIAL information.

[–] JMorningstar@lemmy.world -5 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Xi Jin ping is a fucking genius and master of the long game.

[–] inari@piefed.zip 17 points 2 days ago (2 children)

Literally just waiting for America to destroy itself

[–] RamRabbit@lemmy.world 3 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

He is going to be waiting a long time; longer than it takes for China's demographics crisis to come into full swing.

This is not a healthy shape, and it is something they fundamentally cannot fix. Nothing will bolster the cohorts of 5-34 year olds. Newborns add to the 0-4 cohort, and there aren't enough immigrants to fill those massive gaps (and China is quite anti-immigrant to start with).

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 2 days ago

I don't think it will be that long. America started destroying itself with the patriot act.

[–] JMorningstar@lemmy.world -1 points 1 day ago

If that's what you think is happening then you clearly haven't been paying attention to the last 30 years of life.

[–] HootinNHollerin@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Just waiting is good strategy, but i wouldn’t call it genius