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Trump supporters who backed his promise to avoid new Middle East wars worry Iran’s attacks on shipping are pushing the U.S. toward escalation — and maybe even boots on the ground.

When the U.S. started firing Tomahawk missiles at Iran late last month, many of Donald Trump’s allies hoped it would be a quick, surgical operation, similar to last year’s strike against Iran’s nuclear facilities or the ouster of Venezuelan dictator Nicolás Maduro in January.

Though uneasy, they were reassured by the belief that Trump’s open-ended objectives gave him the flexibility to declare victory whenever he saw fit.

Now, more than two weeks into the campaign, some of those allies believe the president no longer controls how, or when, the war ends. They fear Iran’s attacks on oil tankers in the Strait of Hormuz, which have rattled global crude markets and threaten broader economic distress, are boxing Trump into a situation where escalating the conflict — potentially even putting American boots on the ground — becomes the only way to credibly claim victory.

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[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 132 points 2 days ago (7 children)

The sad thing is that even after this war decimates the US economy and leaves america as a complete laughingstock, the MAGats are going to happily vote for the next Trump.

Losing Vietnam didn't teach them anything, and neither will this fiasco.

[–] coyootje@lemmy.world 34 points 2 days ago (4 children)

happily vote for the next Trump

You mean Trump himself? There's no chance in hell he wouldn't try to run again if he hasn't kicked the bucket by then.

It's pretty unlikely he'll make it until then and if he does die I'm not sure who will be his successor (definitely not charisma black hole JD) but if not then he's too proud to give anyone else a chance.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 14 hours ago

There’s no chance in hell he wouldn’t try to run again

It won't involve running. He just won't fuck off.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 28 points 2 days ago (3 children)

MTG played it pretty smart.

She retired from Congress and isn't running in November. I predict she will be omnipresent as a pundit and set herself up nicely for 2028 GOP Convention.

He has plenty of successors in waiting.

[–] coyootje@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I don't think MTG has a chance, she's alienated too much of the republican party. Also, she's a woman. They never do well, especially not in the republican party.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 1 points 1 day ago

She could make herself a power in the Party and position herself as a kingmaker.

More will be revealed.

[–] givesomefucks@lemmy.world 16 points 2 days ago (2 children)

It's the Paul Ryan gamble.

The equivalent of pulling your funds out of a market before a crash and hoping to buy back in low.

She's hoping trump goes down and then she can fill the void

[–] NekoKoneko@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Yup, both the Paul Ryan and stock market metaphors are apt.

But taking the Paul Ryan comparison to its conclusion is probably also apt - he never had the chance to buy back in low, because he didn't factor in that this particular market has no bottom. The only rational move with the GOP, ever, is to just cash out and leave forever.

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[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 5 points 2 days ago

She's dumb enough to lead the GOP.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago

MAGA is a classic Cult of Personality, and Trump's death will be the end. Like all Dictators, he won't name a successor because he doesn't want to give any power to anyone else, so he'll let Rubio and Vance fight it out for his own entertainment.

Meanwhile there are a bunch of MAGA losers entertaining the fantasy of taking over MAGA when Trump dies. Guys like Don Jr. You don't think he feels like he's ENTITLED to succeed his father to the throne? Or Hegseth? Or Lindsey Graham? Or DeSantis? Or Abbot? Or Tucker Carlson?

When Trump assumes room temperature, the knives are going to come out, and the backstabbing will begin. It will be glorious.

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[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago (4 children)

Decimated is only 1/10th. Trump likes to use it a lot, but doesn't know what it means.

[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 2 points 14 hours ago

A 10% drop in GDP would be quite extreme.

[–] DagwoodIII@piefed.social 4 points 1 day ago

Decimated does come from the practice of killing one prisoner in ten.

And it has come to be synonymous with 'devastated.'

I was using it in the sense of 'severely maimed.' Losing a hand or a foot won't kill you but it is pretty bad.

The funny thing is that I first read the word in a spy thriller, where an agent realizes his boss has been replaced with a double when the phony misuses the word.

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[–] lemmyng@piefed.ca 17 points 2 days ago (3 children)

They're going to frame it as "See? The most powerful navy in the world is struggling, imagine how worse a threat Iran world be if Trump hadn't intervened! He's a tactical jenius!"

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[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

even after this war decimates the US economy

War has traditionally been a boon to the American economy, as the US workforce is heavily integrated into the Military Industrial Complex. The surge in state spending under the Trump administration, combined with the construction boom from AI, is what's currently keeping us out of recession. And domestic oil exports only benefit when countries like Kuwait and Qatar can't export fossil fuels.

Losing Vietnam didn’t teach them anything

It's the Max Bialystock strategy. You win by losing. Another multi-decade long military engagement means multiple trillions of dollars invested in equipment, technology, and private contractors.

Iran, Ukraine, Venezuela, I guess Cuba is next, maybe we get to Nigeria or North Korea down the line... the wars never end and the profits never stop flowing.

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[–] TwilitSky@lemmy.world 20 points 2 days ago

"wars begin when you will, but they do not end when you please". -Machiavelli

[–] JustKeepStretching@lemmy.world 33 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Time for our totally not completely manipulated stock market to inexplicably go up!

[–] EndlessNightmare@reddthat.com 25 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Watching the markets the last few weeks certainly supports the notion that the markets are decoupled from reality.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ya pretty much since Covid. It’s hard to have a free market when all the capital is in the hands of a handful of people.

[–] Bloodyhog@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Way before that, actually. At the very least, since GFC of 2008. Traditional valuation models died long ago. My vague belief is that the only deciding factor for markets now is the amount of capital free for investing (and that multiplied massively through QE and covid handouts). So we have trillions of dollars sloshing around looking for a home. Be loud as Musk and it will flow your way, regardless of what you are actually producing. Hence the unhinged valuations of several top companies.

[–] TronBronson@lemmy.world 6 points 1 day ago

Well said. The GFC certainly laid the ground work and created the idea of “maybe we should print a lot of money instead of allowing stocks to decline.” They mastered the art in time for Covid tho. PPP loans and bailing out banks and all kinds of tricks came together in 2020 to create massive wealth inequality in a short span of time. The last 6 years have felt much more painful than the previous 12

[–] buddascrayon@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago

Child kicks hornets' nest, friends of child are shocked that hornets got angry and started stinging people at random and don't just give up and leave their honey behind.

[–] massacre@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Trump and Hegseth should use AI about it.

[–] JeeBaiChow@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

No need. Theyre already artificially intelligent.

[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 31 points 2 days ago (11 children)

Iran is slipping beyond the President’s control

I’ve become more critical of the way I’m reading headlines lately and this one stuck out to me. The implication is that a sitting leader of one sovereign nation should have control of another sovereign nation or that the latter nation should be “subservient” to them. It’s really interesting how the build the intended power dynamic with that one sentence.

[–] some_designer_dude@lemmy.world 17 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I read it differently. That sentence makes it sound like the “President” is actually a competent leader whose plans are falling apart, rather than the dangerously stupid puppet that he is. All media outlets keep sane-washing him like he has plans to begin with, is capable of strategic thought, and is somehow actually trying to do any kind of good for anyone but himself and his handlers.

America is rat-fucked until the people can establish at least one media outlet that isn’t indifferent to all the evil being perpetrated against them.

[–] Lucelu2@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

If anyone in any responsible position, listened to that 45 minute CNN interview where he repeatedly contradicted himself would give him some Seroquel and send Grandpa back to the Rainbow room for his evening mush.

[–] Zombie@feddit.uk 4 points 2 days ago

Definitely nothing to do with the editorial bias of Politico's owners...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Axel_Springer_SE#Criticism

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[–] WanderWisley@lemmy.world 9 points 2 days ago
[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 19 points 2 days ago (1 children)

We clearly just kicked [Iran’s] ass in the field,

hahahahahahah

“Thanks to a detailed planning process, the entire administration is and was prepared

hahahahaHAHAHAHAhahahahaha

President Trump knew full well

HAHAHAHahahaaaahahahaaaa.... oh man...

any disruptions to energy are temporary and will result in a massive benefit to our country and the global economy

hahahahahhahaAHHAHAHAHAHaaahhhahaha

[–] lemmyng@lemmy.world 25 points 2 days ago

HE NEVER HAD ANY CONTROL TO BEGIN WITH! Trump has about as much control of Iran as he does with his bowels.

[–] bagsy@lemmy.world 8 points 2 days ago

It was so easy to steal America with Elon's help. Surely stealing Iran and all of its oil will be much easier.

[–] BarneyPiccolo@lemmy.today 2 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] phutatorius@lemmy.zip 1 points 14 hours ago

Naw, their incpompetence is kinda shitty.

[–] switcheroo@lemmy.world 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Hold the cards? That orange shitgibbon has a handful of Uno cards while everyone else is playing poker-- he's not even playing the same game. He needs to be put in a home for criminals with dementia then sealed in.

[–] chiliedogg@lemmy.world 4 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Anyone saying he plays 3D chess needs to understand that's a stupid thing to do when the game is checkers.

[–] Lucelu2@lemmy.zip 1 points 1 day ago

He is not playing chess.... he is eating the pieces.

[–] BigMacHole@thelemmy.club 10 points 2 days ago

This is SILLY because Trump OBVIOUSLY took us to War with FULL Knowledge of Who and What he was Up against! Trump would NEVER Risk American Lives so Silly like That! THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER!

[–] null@lemmy.org 7 points 2 days ago

Special Military Operation 2: Desert Boogaloo

[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

slipping beyond the president's control.

Much like his ability to not shit his pants.

[–] Bob_Robertson_IX@discuss.tchncs.de 7 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Time to pivot to Cuba!

I'm actually shocked that he hasn't already declared victory and pulled all ships from the area.

[–] daychilde@lemmy.world 6 points 2 days ago

I’m actually shocked that he hasn’t already declared victory

He did do that part

[–] humanspiral@lemmy.ca 6 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Media and Congress extremely complicit in dysfunction against peace and negotiated settlement with Iran.

DNC would prefer the political win of "Trump defeat" but Adam Schiff called Iran "the enemy" this week, and Schumer was apoplectic about "Trump's plan to TACO with (ominous secret) deal with Iran" during last "excursion". Demonic pig fucking zionazi unanimity just wants to bicker about "plan coherence/success metrics".

Rand Paul, normally (voted recently) against war, repeated Trump's biggest lie of all. "There is no Iranian leadership to negotiate with"... and so somehow, "our only option is boots on the ground or inspired revolution." Iran has a UN and a Geneva mission.

Media could strongly challenge the absurdities. "Either US was serious about nuclear negotiations, or it was always a ploy for Israel surprise attack and genocidal expansion ambitions". Since Iran was attending negotiations, there is an offer to Iran they will accept to "sell" enriched uranium to US. Politico/OP, like other media and even diplomatic allies, is categorically complicit in avoiding all reasonable offramp exposure/pressure.

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