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Scrappers are good, and also the worst. We need someone to care about and put in the effort to extract value from trash. Problem is a lot of trash is actually still usable/valuable "as-is" but get ripped apart for some scraps of value within. The other problem is getting the item to someone who would value it. Hence, there we go around and around.
The Nokia 2626 was no 3310 or 5110, but I bet you could still beat a man to death with it and then call your lady to tell her you'll be a bit late to dinner. Whoever tore that down for the metals is gonna be kicking themselves pretty hard when the apocalypse comes.
Well there is a LOT of old electrics and they'll be able to pull a lot more out of them than gold, and they should mostly be recycled as much as possible. There should still be more than enough left for hobbyists to restore, no? Check mexico, there are still millions of old devices out there, even in the wild, but especially in the smaller computer shops
My Mom had a saying when I was young(er): vintage is all the crap we couldn't wait to get rid of and couldn't throw away fast enough.
Decades later, I totally get what she was saying: 30 year old PCs are utter crap in my eyes. Good riddance. Who wants to restore that junk: it was cheap-ass commodity hardware at that point. A PDP11 on the other hand... 🙂
One man's trash is another man's treasure I guess. I can't count the number of PCs I brought to the recycler simply because I literally would have had to pay someone to take them back in the days. I wish I had kept them to sell to today's enthusiasts and get back some of the insane money that stuff sold for when it was new.
The less something is available, the more it is worth.
Take VHS recorders for example. Something that used to be extremely common is now super rare because it doesn't get manufactured anymore, but tons of people still have plenty of VHS they want to see so they still get used. After a while those break down too, making the pool even smaller.
but tons of people still have plenty of VHS they want to see so they still get used
They still have usable data on them? They were magnetic and one weak point was cross-magnetisation on the reel, causing ghost images. (What was that defect called again?) And the magnetisation holds 30 years otherwise?
Depends on storage conditions and age but I just digitized my family VHS tapes from 96 to 08 and they were all still in great shape having been stored inside and left alone. Older tapes might be having trouble around now
I remember some old Disnay VHS about 15 20 years ago, wasn't fun with all the ghosting and crosstalking.
The less something is available, the more it is worth.
Capitalist propaganda. Rare garbage is still garbage. The desire has to be there and often isn't. But capitalist ideas say you have to hoard for potential.
That seems the exact opposite of capitalism? I would assume capitalist propaganda encourages you to throw away old things and buy new. Preserving old things is antithetical to that
There can still be value in some old things like maintaining old equipment or preserving old media. The demand may have collapsed, but it didn't collapse to zero.
There are instances, especially on the federal level, of a Windows XP machine that's roughly that old running HVAC systems without a connection outward. It requires a connection that isn't on modern PCs and the support software out of date.
There's a commodore ~~64~~ amiga running HVAC in iirc a high school.
It is called "recycling".
The step before "recycle" is "reuse"
People reusing 30yo computer is legendary, as in the rarity.
Industry use. Pretty common.
I don't think most industries are buying used consumer electronics.
No, what i meant is, industry has pretty often a old DOS, NT or XP running on original hardware.
I know, but the problem OP has is with people recycling consumer electronics that never would have been used for industrial purposes.
What those "enthusiasts" do with the old machinery isn't reusing. It is hoarding.
It's not hoarding as long as it doesn't impair your ability to lead a normal life in a livable home. Beyond that, to each their hobbies.
Would you say someone restoring an old car should recycle it instead? If an archaeologist finds an old buried tool should they recycle it? The rosetta stone is made from valuable silica, let's recycle that too!
People are allowed to enjoy things. If having a couple of old computers makes someone happy, isn't that better than them buying new things instead?
Even if you collect garbage, it is still stupid to whine that garbage is recycled.
There's gold in them thar boards
Yeah you are right it's better when some corp poisons a lake with cyanide mining the gold instead
Yeah I can't wait for when enthusiasts want my stacks of 2004 laptop RAM sticks and LCD panels.
The demand will open up any second now
I still have a small box of old ram and a bunch of cpus from that era.( 20 to 30 yrs ago) Had them for years in case someone I knew needed them. I need to take them to a recycling center some day but there isn't one close by.
I dump all my e-waste at Best Buy. They're hoping I'll buy something, but nah.
I don't mind them doing it with irreparable items. But when they do it indiscriminately it bothers me.
Have you looked at price of gold lately?
Yeah, and one would get more gold by panning sand from a river somewhere in West Papua.
Destroying several tons of ewaste to get at almost nothing.
You're presuming that all that ewaste is actually still usable - but in many cases the parts are discarded not because they're old but because they're broken.
Are you suggesting that we hold onto old, broken crap just because you can't bear to see recycling in progress?
Yeah but then they'd have to travel there which reduces profit margin.
Go look up what happens to wannabe prospectors operating without license, at least in the USoA
Heck even the videos of gold/gem/geode prospectors I've watched make odd offhand comments about sicking police on tresspassers
Most of these devices have plenty to go around.