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[–] whelk@retrolemmy.com 28 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (2 children)
  • People every time a post about protests is made: "This will accomplish nothing."
  • Those same people when asked what they're personally doing since they talk like they know what will and won't work: "Also nothing."
  • (Bonus points for the ones who say violent uprisings are needed, but are not violently rising up themselves. Double bonus for "well I don't live in the US.")

Protests aren't the solution on their own, they're a step in the process of people getting to the point of doing something about the situation they've found themselves in. You can't fix a problem if you don't first acknowledge and accept that it's a problem. Stop crapping on people for protesting. Instead, encourage them to use that energy to take things further. And if you know so much about what will actually work and are going out of your way to tell people what they're doing isn't going to work, maybe you should be doing the thing you claim will work so you can lead by example instead of armchair directing.

[–] JayDee 9 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

A term I've been using is 'activation'. people who are in the early stages of activation attend protests - more often attendance is more activation. This eventually evolves into active participation in support networks, vigilante counteraction, or legal resistance like journalism and similar activities.

Protest attendance is the start of most individuals' activation, and we can't knock that starting place if we want greater numbers participating in the counteraction apparatus going forward.

[–] emmy67@lemmy.world 3 points 9 hours ago

Yeh the other step is actual violence. Not condoning or promoting it.

Just saying that has to be the next follow up if they're not listening to he protests.

[–] Mulligrubs@lemmy.world 42 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

Remember, if your organization is big enough to organize a general strike, the feds are there and watching. Watch your back

recall that the FBI infiltrated the civil rights movement and more even before we had a police state empowered by the Patriot Act surveillance and AI data collection.

I have zero proof, but I suspect that they are actively disrupting all attempts at organization. This is based on the history of CIA and FBI; we never know what they are doing currently, we only know a tiny bit of what they have done in the past.

Maybe I'm paranoid.

[–] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 4 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

Evidence is there that they are doing that, at the very least the consistent effort to not only divide but also demoralize through deliberate propaganda. It’s why you see so many people on Reddit, Lemmy, or any other social media being downright pessimistic about what protests can accomplish or build into. They’ve already lost to the propaganda, so what’s going on now immediately gets written off by them as futile. They are exactly where these orgs want them to be: at home, isolated, writing dumb little comments on the internet that only serve to pull the crabs back down into the bucket. That kind of stuff is infectious to others and makes people opt to view organizing as ineffectual.

[–] mrlemmyhimself@lemmy.world 17 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Paranoid has proven to be downright reasonable

[–] MousePotatoDoesStuff@lemmy.world 2 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago)

What was that one phrase again? Something like "there are two kinds of conspiracy theories: antisemitic woo and declassified CIA documents"

[–] NottaLottaOcelot@lemmy.ca 25 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

Your wallet is your strongest voice in the eyes of this administration. Think carefully about where you spend your hard earned money.

A single day of avoiding Walmart and Amazon is not meaningful if you give them your money tomorrow. Find local businesses that deserve your money and spend your money with them instead.

Buy less and buy better quality items that last longer. Reduce consumerism and give homemade gifts or experiences instead of more junk nobody needs. Use lending libraries, swap groups, and other methods to reduce your contribution to the economy, which is frankly the only thing the American government really is interested in.

And hats off to the person who successfully organizes a general strike. I’m cheering you on from Canada.

[–] Ghostie@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 hours ago

I remember how fast Jimmy Kimmel was back in the air once people starting attacking the bottom line. The biggest thing a capitalist society and its oligarchs fear is the threat to its money.

[–] ThunderQueen@lemmy.world 16 points 15 hours ago
[–] glitchdx@lemmy.world 15 points 16 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not going to be first in line to start doing something that actually fucking matters, but you bet your ass I'll be third.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 6 points 15 hours ago

protests and direct action present an opportunity for everyone to go at once. it's just up to you guys to take it.

[–] ViceroTempus@lemmy.world 10 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Why is it always a general strike? Why not a rent/mortgage strike?

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 9 points 16 hours ago (10 children)

no kings has no leverage and no power and no stamina and no guts. are the police attacking them in the streets? i personaly see these kind of protests as controlled off gassing. you have a large amount of people who would under other circumstances be pushed into actual action, thinking they make a difference doing this, allowing the system to functionally ignore them.

without the media on your side these protests do not work. and the media is captured, and neither side wants to see this stop

[–] ATS1312@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Are you recruiting there for an org that wants to do something that matters?

https://lemmy.blahaj.zone/post/40568556

Or are you gonna let the Liberals get all the photo ops?

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

getting arrested is a good sign. the news talking about it on wensday would be more of a good indication

[–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 4 points 13 hours ago* (last edited 13 hours ago) (1 children)

'actual action' beyond protest tends to get nasty quickly. I'm glad the left wing isn't lowering themselves to the level of, say, the capitol attacks.

The just way will take longer but it's the only way to effect real change.

A strike would be a good middle ground though.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

you say it will “takes longer” as things have been getting worse not better is a weird stance. these protests have been unsuccessful in their goals, not having a goal was the first failure. and there is a lot that can be done before the need to storm the capitol. but you are already poised to reject anything beyond protest. so you are in reality happy with the status quo

[–] Bloefz@lemmy.world 1 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I'm not happy though I'm not directly involved as I'm not American (though I am affected of course). But there's a limit to what you can expect here. The MAGA's are a cult, protesting won't touch their hard core and pushing them harder will cause escalation.

The only way these walls will come down is talking, not fighting. And they're burning up inside now with this Iran war that's deeply unpopular even with MAGA. Unfortunately they did manage their goal of making everyone forget the word Epstein though 😔

By protesting and being reasonable you chip away at their fringes, the people that are kinda on the fence. Anyway that's my take.

And like I said, strikes are a good idea too, anything non violent really.

[–] WraithGear@lemmy.world 1 points 25 minutes ago

incorrect. reasoning with a cult does not work. protesting will not effect their decisions in the slightest, and worrying about escalation has always been a moot point. they manufacture escalation at their pace. they do not need a reason. but forcing escalation it’s the point. the iranians have been more effective at changing the heart of magats by making life for magats directly harder. not a single protest has changed their mind. and so in order for this to stop, life has to start getting harder for everyone.

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[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 11 points 17 hours ago (5 children)

we've seen no kings 1 & 2 change diddly squat, so obviously we'll do the same thing a third time with the high hopes that nothing will change too!

Guy that is attending the useless no kings protest

You want actual change? Look at Europe on how to protest. I'm sorry for you Americans, but you got yourself in this, you gotta dig yourself out. Trump will NOT care about the o kings protest, and it'll fade from the news within two days tops. It. Is. Not. Enough.

Protest 24/7 for months on end until the fucker is gone

Have strikes everywhere, indeed, because that it the only way you'll get his attention and get this administration to understand that it's over

[–] Pacattack57@lemmy.world 8 points 16 hours ago (3 children)

It’s very easy to say but you need to understand there are no labor protections in the US. Any protest during work hours result in termination.

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[–] InvalidName2@lemmy.zip 35 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

The first comment / response or whatever that I read in there does a better job of expressing my opinion on this than I ever could.

"It's building the muscle. You have to get someone to show up one day before you can get them to show up often, or every day, or for the long haul."

Really the same goes for so many of the organizations running the events. They're local orgs, local people with different levels of experience (mostly very little) with organizing at this scale. It takes practice and time to get good at these things. It takes time to find volunteers and train them.

Contrary to what some of the comments implied, most of these events aren't planned/operated by paid professionals, not that paying for professional help is inherently a bad thing anyway. There's top-level guidance and coordination, that kind of stuff generally requires dedicated teams (aka paid employees) due to the time and skill requirements for those roles. But on the local level, it's volunteers all around. And the real planning, the hard work, is virtually all done locally by those volunteers.

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[–] Modern_medicine_isnt@lemmy.world 11 points 17 hours ago (10 children)

Just because the poster doesn't take action, doesn't mean they are wrong.

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[–] rayyy@piefed.social 37 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

The No Kings Marches are just a prelude. Imagine all those millions of people participation in the upcoming general strike . Then imagine those millions turning to violence. Imagine them armed.

[–] osanna@lemmy.vg 1 points 2 hours ago

you know, the americans are always going on about their 2A rights, but i don't see them overthrowing tyranny when it's present.

[–] homes@piefed.world 21 points 21 hours ago (9 children)

Just a suggestion, but becoming armed before becoming violent might be a better order of progression.

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[–] wpb@lemmy.world 5 points 15 hours ago

Yeah that's the pot calling the kettle black. Infighting between groups who manage to effect 0 change.

[–] Naich@piefed.world 113 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Note that the person criticising the original is also not active in organising a general strike. It is permissable to hold opinions without being obliged to act on them.

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