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How Europe, the US can better protect Jewish communities (www.dw.com)
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[–] gigachad@piefed.social 22 points 12 hours ago (4 children)

This is an article about attacks against Jews abroad, and the post is half downvotes. This tells a lot about what people think about jews. They can't separate a fascist regime from a religion and they also don't want to. People want an enemy and Jewish people are historically easy targets. For many the world is black and white and they need to position themselves on either side. They can't bear ambiguity.

Now follow your reflex Lemmy, and do your thing. I spoke up against violence against Jews! This must mean I am a "Zionist" and I deny genocide.

[–] statelesz@slrpnk.net 7 points 11 hours ago

Thanks you!

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 5 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Only a third of US Jews support Israel’s war in Gaza, survey shows

So as long as only an ENTIRE third are targetted then it's more or less even. /s

The Jew war supporters are not a tiny minority. You could flip a coin and have a better than half chance you chose a genocide supporter.

People shouldn't be targetting innocent civilians, obviously. But the Jews outside of Israel could do a lot better to distance themselves from Israel, vocally and visibly.

[–] yetAnotherUser@discuss.tchncs.de 5 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Just like how after 9/11 muslims could've done more to distance themselves from the attacks, right? Clearly it's their own fault for the rise in islamophobia.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 0 points 1 hour ago

Islam isn't a race though, It's a personal choice to oppress women. Would be more accurate to use Russians as an example. Evil triumphs when good people do nothing. Whether it's their choice or not, they are associated, and have a responsibility to speak out against Russia's actions

[–] mech@feddit.org 7 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

But the Jews outside of Israel could do a lot better to distance themselves from Israel, vocally and visibly.

This statement implies that Jews (no matter where they live and what they think) are one homogeneous group where each individual member is responsible for other group members' actions. Even though they have no choice in whether they belong to that group.

Why the hell should a New York shopkeeper have to vocally and visibly distance themselves from the crimes committed by a country in the Middle East?

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Because they are associated by default. Just the same as with Americans traveling abroad and trumps moronic and evil policies. And I've found that Americans typically do immediately bring it up and apologize. To not do so is to condone it, or to imply it's irrelevant.

[–] Stitch0815@feddit.org 8 points 9 hours ago (3 children)

Because they are associated by default.

And that, good sir is what the initial comment is about

This IS antisemitism. As compared to what Isreal has been trying to lable as antisemitism the last couple of years.

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 hour ago

This sounds like a 'not all men' argument.

[–] Pip@feddit.org 8 points 9 hours ago

Yep, that's antisemitism. Guilty of others' actions by the mere fact of being Jewish. And hence some commentators here are fine with Jews being harassed and bombed for belonging to this group.

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world -4 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

No it isn't antisemitism. It's antizionism. Israel is highly associated with Jewish people. So it's a reasonable weariness that a Jewish person might support Israel's actions unless they say otherwise. If any entity I was even slightly associated with was doing reprehensible things, I would be very vocal to anyone who would listen to me and explain how I did not support those things.

[–] Stitch0815@feddit.org 5 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

If any entity I was even slightly associated with was doing reprehensible things, I would be very vocal to anyone who would listen to me and explain how I did not support those things.

Good for you bud. But that does not mean you get to dictate how other people need to live their lifes. And if you just assume that every Jewish person supports Israels actions, by default. Then I hate to break it to you but that is antisemitism.

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world -2 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

It's not because they're Jewish, it's because as a Jewish person, they are associated with a large vocal group that is self defined by being Jewish. And that group is supported by a large percentage of Jewish people all over the world. Maybe that's too subtle a distinction for you, but it's an important one to try to grasp.

[–] Stitch0815@feddit.org 3 points 4 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (1 children)

It's not because they are jewish

It's just because they are jews

My brother in christ

You are basically writing down the definition of racism It's just that in this case it's not based on race and there is a speacial word for it because people have been doing it so much to this group of people: Antisemitism

Edit: I get what you are trying to say. And I am NOT trying to say you are an antisemite. But: It highlights how deeply engrained racism (am the like) is in our society and brains. We would rather do an insane amount of mental gymnastics than call it what it is: Racism

[–] luthis@lemmy.nz 1 points 1 hour ago

'Not all ~~men~~ Jews'

[–] mech@feddit.org 4 points 10 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah, I don't believe that it's the responsibility of Americans wherever they go to apologize for Trump.
Or Russians for Putin, for that matter.
I believe it's the responsibility of a society to protect people from such group-targeted attacks.

[–] tired_n_bored@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

The society is made of individuals and their small individual acts of resistance. It's too easy to blame "the society"

[–] CannonFodder@lemmy.world 1 points 9 hours ago

I mean, too bad? You are associated with certain things. And it's a great opportunity to constantly vocalize your opposition to it. If you don't, you will be assumed to be part of it whether you like it or not.

[–] Pip@feddit.org 7 points 11 hours ago

It's really terrible.

[–] Akasazh@lemmy.world -2 points 9 hours ago

I think the other way around. My hated of people is predicated on the ability of them to recognize and reject cruelty, apartheid and genocide.

If they cannot, I hate them, regardless of creed or religion.

Jewish people that don't reject the genocidal tendencies of their kin can get fucked.

The aggravating item with the Jewish people is that they have experienced persecution and genocide themselves. And they've always leveraged that for special treatment.

This makes denying or ignoring it loaded with an additional layer of hypocrisy.

[–] raicon@lemmy.world 45 points 15 hours ago (3 children)

That's easy, stop Netanyahu and the gang from putting the Jew community reputation in mud water. Zionism is a cancer

[–] mech@feddit.org 12 points 11 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago) (1 children)

The majority of Jews don't live in Israel.
NONE of the victims of these antisemitic attacks live in Israel.
And even the majority of Jews who do live in Israel don't support Netanyahu (The numbers are similar to Trump support in the US).
So keep that in mind.

Attacking Jews in Europe or the US for what Netayahu does is like attacking British people for what Trump does.

[–] raicon@lemmy.world 2 points 10 hours ago

Yes, that's the basis for hate speech. Same happens with many ethnicities.

People hate on Chinese for their government, or arabs, etc.

However people dont see these things logically.

One doing what one does in name of the Jews will make the hate speech grow.

[–] statelesz@slrpnk.net 12 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Bullshit. Fuck Netanyahu, but he's not solely responsible for the rise of global antisemitism and neither is Zionism.

[–] Jay101@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Of course they are not sole responsible, only 90%.

[–] statelesz@slrpnk.net 2 points 11 hours ago

That's also not true and a vast simplification.

If people have a problem with Netanyahus far right government they should criticise and hate on him and his politics.

But modern antisemitism is a complex phenomenon and people project a lot of problems of modern capitalist society onto Israel, because it's an easy target. Especially after Israel committed all the atrocities in Gaza.

Israel and or Netanyahu is not mainly responsible for the rise of antisemitism!

[–] wombat_combat@lemmy.world 7 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

90% of the jews I have met in Germany are pro Bibi

[–] Flubo@feddit.org 8 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

Oh thats a very different bubble of jews than mine then. All jews i now -also in germany- do not agree at all with him. I even know Israelis living here (for more than 10years), that hate him and went to the big protests against his politics whenever they went to Israel visiting their familys - Already before the war started.

[–] wombat_combat@lemmy.world 0 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 10 hours ago)

Then you have met the 10% of the Jews i know lol The ones that comes to EU straight from Israel have been soldiers in the IDF, the ones that are second and third gen start to be a bit more chill, but still pretty insufferable cunts. This is EU, everyone is welcome here as long as they have the same values as us, otherwise they have no right to be here. It goes for Jews, Muslims, Christians, etc. We can’t be hyper tolerant of the intolerant, it will be the end of us

[–] Jay101@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Most Israelis have very fascist and genocidal views. The indoctrination is far more superior than any of the regime in the history.

[–] nimisnimi@lemmy.ca -5 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

It's either that (what you claim as true about a whole nation) - or you are just a fascist with your crippled mind.

We'll never know... /S

[–] Jay101@lemmy.world 2 points 7 hours ago

At one point of time, almost entirety of German population was fascist. We don't need to think of imaginary scenarios. Almost all population of a nation can be genocidal and fascist.