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Europe built sovereign clouds to escape US control. Then forgot about the processors (www.theregister.com)
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[–] kablez@lemmy.world 9 points 10 hours ago* (last edited 9 hours ago)

The real tech revolution won't be until we can make our own hardware ; enthusiast designed and made processors and semiconductors using consumer grade tools, similar to how you could make your own metal chains out of tools at the hardware store. Until then we'll be beholden to the billionaire class to grant us access. What I'm saying is we need to make it cheaper and easier to make computers in the first place. No amount software is gonna save you if you don't have independent hardware.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 19 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

I've been saying it for years, we need to produce our own chips.

[–] iglou@programming.dev 13 points 18 hours ago

Yes. We even have critical companies in the supply chain of chip manufacturing based in Europe, so it's definitely possible. It doesn't even need to be as high performing as the big ones. I'd buy it anyway.

[–] carrylex@lemmy.world 12 points 19 hours ago

Laughs in ARM...

[–] x00z@lemmy.world 56 points 1 day ago (1 children)

This article doesn't even mention ASML so I consider it pretty moot.

ASML is the leading international semiconductor machine supplier and is a Dutch company.

[–] Melonpoly@lemmy.world 15 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

Who follow American export rules

[–] 0x0@infosec.pub 9 points 19 hours ago (1 children)

For now

[–] ultrafastsloth@lemmy.world 2 points 9 hours ago

ASML is still a company that wants to sell its stuff and until EU starts building cutting edge chip fabs, the company will go where the market is, which is not in EU (except that one TSMC fab that is being built).

[–] mushimas@lemmy.ml 68 points 1 day ago (1 children)

To make an apple pie from scratch, you must first invent the universe.

Actually a good step in the right direction, but it's not the end.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

RISC-V already exists so why not build on that?

[–] SubstituteTurkey@lemmy.ca 23 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

It said RISC-V is decades away

"There is no immediate solution. RISC-V, the open source processor architecture European sovereignty advocates point to as a long-term alternative, remains years from competitive performance in datacenter workloads. "It will take decades,""

[–] zarenki@lemmy.ml 8 points 15 hours ago

RISC-V is more like 1-3 years away from CPUs existing that have competitive performance in datacenter workloads. Not decades.

But they won't be manufactured in Europe. Getting fabs up and running is indeed something that takes a very long time.

[–] Natanael@slrpnk.net 15 points 1 day ago (1 children)

RISC-V isn't in the same scenario. There's one company behind ARM with a few external companies with architecture licenses (who doesn't share their contributions), and ARM competes mostly just on the same commercial terms so for a long time it wasn't worth investing in single core performance because they could instead fill the efficiency niche.

Also there's more knowledge on how to build high performance cores. Doesn't mean it's trivial, but it means the lead isn't several decades. With enough investment you can make it happen faster. And there's a national security motivation for investing.

[–] SubstituteTurkey@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

That may be so (hopefully), I'm just a layman quoting an expert.

[–] datendefekt@feddit.org 40 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Goodacre catalogues this and related scenarios in a 37-page risk assessment prepared for CISOs evaluating Intel vPro hardware connected to corporate networks. Its conclusion is blunt: connecting an untouched-ME device to corporate resources "exposes the organization to a class of compromise that defeats the host security stack in its entirety."

I hear a lot of concern about backdoors in Chinese hardware but this is just dystopian.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 4 points 9 hours ago

less of a concern than having palantir, us back surveillance built into western ones.

[–] themurphy@lemmy.ml 32 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm convinced that all the "China is tracking you!!" is a giant deflection for how much the US is tracking.

They have always been the worst offender, and Snowden was only a warning for something that has been going on for many years.

[–] Tollana1234567@lemmy.today 1 points 9 hours ago

also how Palantir is so integrated into us intelligence 10+years now, plus thier use of AI ISRAEL AND ukraine.

[–] Miller@lemmy.world 23 points 1 day ago (2 children)

It is almost like non technical people who can not follow technical advice are making all the decisions.

[–] MisterD@lemmy.ca 10 points 23 hours ago

I have managers at my work having meetings on how they are going to rollout win11 and intune. They want to tell the technical people how it's going to work.

[–] gandalf_der_12te@feddit.org 1 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

nah it's not that simple. it's mostly about cost. chip manufacturing is hella expensive and developing new chip manufacturing techniques is even more expensive. it's cheaper to do it all in one place in taiwan instead of every country opening its own chip manufacturers. it's only now due to security considerations that this is changing, but it takes 10 years to build a chip manufacturing site somewhere.

[–] Miller@lemmy.world 1 points 20 hours ago

Would that it were so simple.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 20 hours ago

processors are not trivial to make.

[–] oliof@piefed.social 4 points 22 hours ago

No, they didn't

[–] chocrates@piefed.world 6 points 1 day ago

I still can't get over the fact that everyone is running minix on their silicon.

[–] AllNewTypeFace@leminal.space 3 points 1 day ago (1 children)

You take your choice: Mossad or the PLA.

[–] Footer1998@crazypeople.online -1 points 23 hours ago

Anyone who wouldn't go with China over Amerisrael a million times over is simply a victim of unbelievable volume of propaganda.

The US is by far the single worst, most oppressive country on the planet and it isn't even close.

[–] oyzmo@piefed.social 1 points 23 hours ago

step by step