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While waiting in line for rollercoasters, my dad used to loudly talk at my mom about how "it's amazing when you think about how these things are built by the lowest bidder," etc...
I mean he's not wrong, but the list of contractors capable of building roller coasters is very short and pretty well regulated. It's not like Joe Shmoe from down the street is rolling steel forms.
Now I'd be curious to see what kind of roller coaster Joe Shmoe from down the street would come up with. https://youtube.com/shorts/hNOBJ6Woal4
There have been a number of wooden ones with very poor engineering
He just liked messing with the people in line who took the bait.
"...wait, what do you mean?"
"Well, think about it. When they decide who's going to build it, they're not going to pay more than necessary. They'll pay as little as possible. I was looking at those bolts up there..."
Big ones sure but what about the road-style ones you find at the small village funfairs?
"lowest bidder and manufactured as shittily as possible without violating the contract" doesn't roll off the tongue quite the same.
So exactly like every commercial product ever?
At least mimitary grade has a contract with defined specs they need to deliver. Commercial doesn't even have that.
So yeah, military grade may suck, but it is still a lot better than the normal shit they sell to the public.
Absolutely not, take AR triggers for example. The shit they ship with palmetto state builds is "military grade" (read mil-spec) and functional, but is garbage compared to something like a geissele SSAE, or a trigger tech.
Which is the point. It's not good, it meets the spec.
Sometimes the spec means it's overbuilt compared to a civilian version. A lot of the time someone not-the-government is willing to pay more for different features than the spec.
An AR trigger going to a 19 year old just out of basic does not need to be match quality. Most of them suck as marksmen. Most of them will rarely shoot a rifle after basic because their MOS doesn't require it, and they don't need a good (read: more expensive) trigger to qualify for basic competence.
The person in replying to is saying the civilian market's quality is worse than mil spec. But I'm saying that is absolutely not true. The civilian market is wide ranging.
COUGH F-35 RAPTOR COUGH
Quite the embezzlement.
Omg give me the jet pack!!!
Its only good for one trip at a time and costs a jet to use, but hell yeah!
One notable exception: temperature ranges for electronics. The electronics may be shit, but they will still work when the soldier is an ice popsicle or a roasted piece of meat.
Military or automotive grade electronics go hard
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The cheapest possible product that meets the requirements.
This describes most of the Internet. Which, naturally, was a orginally a (D)ARPA project.
As opposed to the vast majority of consumer products?
Exactly the point. Military grade means nothing in regard to its actual quality. It's just another inane marketing tactic.
It actually does mean something, most of the contracts for anything you can buy surplus are now public. So you can look up that exact specs the military required and can be ensured you're getting that.
Consumer specs can often times be buzzwords or misleading.
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I was informed that woobies and silkies both used to be very nice military grade gear.
Green paint will be extra $2000.
I worked on a green missile system. This is very accurate
As someone who works in defence & surveillance as a systems engineer (so by every measure a civilian), I'm still the one on the right... military grade hardware is a fucking nightmare to integrate into larger systems.
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I saw "military grade" phone screen protectors at the charity shop today (made me lol), so this is quite timely!
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How the bots aggregate upvotes that are likely veterans.
Lemmy is public, y'all. Be careful.
What perceived risk are you trying to imply?
I think he is trying to imply that anyone upvoting is feeding data into a profile. Which yeah, I assume all my comments and updoots are. That's why I updoot everything that isn't spam.
That since voting is public, profiles which tend to upvote posts about the military greater than average would be doxxing themselves a bit, even if not commenting.
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Really depends on what you want and expect. "Military Grade" or real military surplus? I've been happy with my diesel generator and the jerry cans are definitely better then civilian stuff. I managed to get a military surplus 6.2L diesel engine for a engine swap, which has a few advantages over the civilian version. Water proof, steel ammo cans are definitely plastic shoe boxes from walmart.
Veritasium(?) has a video about jerry cans that boils down to "Surprise! The Germans over-engineered the crap out of these!" and how most modern ones aren't as good because its significantly cheaper to make ones that just look similar.
Still better than the plastic ones usually but you kind of have to hunt for the older style at this point to get the best of the best.
These are the types I use. I've get them at swap meets used. They use 2in fnpt thread and have a vent that covered by the cap. I have a home made spout made from pvc bushing, a steel hose barb and about 18inchs of pvc hose. These are "new" style, but very thick plastic and very simple. No overengineered vents and valves to break.
Not sure about US but UK Surplus clothing is the best. I have tropic trousers and they're not only super comfortable, they're the most practical with insane amount of pockets and will survive whatever i do in them.... and they cost 1/4 of a store brand jeans.
Tops are also super cheap but you can get away with camo pants, camo long sleeves makes you stand out. But the bug repellant treated tops are awesome in the summer.
Man I want to get military surplus too just to date curiosity but I am afraid of getting yeeted into the Larpers' group.
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