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Barkly regional mayor sits on young Indigenous boy while another man threatens to kill him – video [Australia] (www.theguardian.com)

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[-] Auk@kbin.social 127 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The pretty important context to this video is that the boy in question had allegedly just broken into the mayor's house and he was waiting for the police (see here for a news article about the event).

[-] luthis@lemmy.nz 23 points 11 months ago

Thanks, always important to have the context.

[-] SuckMyWang@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Are you trying to tell me buzzy headlines and sound bites aren’t enough to form an accurate, in depth opinion so I can have lengthy discussions with people about complex societal problems and suggest no solutions? How dare you insult my world view

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 19 points 11 months ago

Sure, that justifies threatening a child with death.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -3 points 11 months ago

Well, not after he's been subdued.

Home invasions are inherent threats though.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

In Canada I don't think you can threaten it either way since you can't legally protect you property with force unless force is used on you.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe -1 points 11 months ago

That sounds like a good way to get shot first in a country that has its own fair share of guns, not even getting into the fact that violence always favors the aggressor.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

We're talking legally not morally boss.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 points 11 months ago

And I'm talking about the implications of that law as presented.

Hopefully it's a bit more contextual than that.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

It's the same in most civilized countries. You can sit on the guy to hold him down, you can punch if punched, stab if you see a knife, shoot if you see a gun. You can't however use disparit force if they slap you can't behead.

[-] LifeInMultipleChoice@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Last I checked Canada is safer than the U.S.

Quick numbers I could find

"Between 2003 and 2007, approximately 2.1 million household burglaries were reported to the FBI each year on average. Household burglaries ending in homicide made up 0.004% of all burglaries during that period."

So now add in all those home invasions that didn't get reported for a number of reasons and I would say they are very low risk. Pulling a gun will increase the danger.

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Sources need links or at least the actual name of the source, not just quotation marks.

Not sure why you're talking about the FBI after your previous statement, but home invasions by definition are when an occupant is at home. Most robberies are committed when the house is empty specifically to avoid the possibility of conflict.

Robberies are a property crime.

Invasions are a threat.

[-] Tedesche@lemmy.world 17 points 11 months ago

What!?! No! That complicates my emotional response! Damn you and your “context!” Leave me with my clickbait titles and feelings of justified rage! Everyone I disagree with is a reasonless Neanderthal! I am superior and always right!

[-] Something_Complex@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

I think if there was any rage it's because it's a kid and the man is a figure of power. He's supposed to represent the population and it's interests. Basically what I'm saying is, if he made an effort to know the kid maybe he could find ways to help.

When you are a kid doing bullshit do you prefer to be helped to a better path or just plain old intimidaded for no truly decent purpose.

I think we have to find ways to improve help carry the next generation so they can achieve better things. But maybe that's just bc I watch too much anime

[-] DragonTypeWyvern@literature.cafe 9 points 11 months ago

Threatening to kill someone who isn't a threat to you is psycho shit.

[-] jimbolauski@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

The mayor was restraining the boy a other person was threatening the boy.

[-] KillAllPoorPeople@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Do people think they're funny and/or smart leaving comments like this? Literally anytime someone questions something, there's this comment.

[-] threeduck@aussie.zone 7 points 11 months ago

It's a very Reddit way to agree with a point.

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 5 points 11 months ago

Is The Gaurdian a Murdoch rag?

[-] StorminNorman@lemmy.world 3 points 11 months ago

No, the guardian is an independent rag.

[-] postmateDumbass@lemmy.world 1 points 11 months ago

Bloody hell.

[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 25 points 11 months ago

I’ve got this strange feeling of relief after reading this guy ISNT from the United States. 😅🫠

[-] JokeDeity@lemm.ee 12 points 11 months ago

JFC news reporting is so far below the bottom of the barrel at this point.

[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 6 points 11 months ago

There is no such thing as news anymore, it's all tabloid bullshit just looking for clicks and eyeballs.

Do we write a headline that's accurate, or one that enrages people so they click the link?

Do we write an article with facts in an unbiased manner, or do we cherry pick interesting things that will pull emotional strings and tell people how they should feel about it, so they share the article with their family and friends?

[-] PhlubbaDubba@lemm.ee 10 points 11 months ago

Is it bad that I saw "Barkly" and thought this was an absolutely bonkers story out of one of those towns where they let a dog be the mayor?

[-] iesou@lemm.ee 4 points 11 months ago

Feel like this guy gave in to the darkness. The wheel turns as the wheel wills.

[-] luthis@lemmy.nz 1 points 11 months ago

Pretty sad their tangata whenua are still treated so badly.

[-] threeduck@aussie.zone 3 points 11 months ago

E hoa, you are posting on the World Lemmy, about an Aboriginal boy in Australia. Tangata whenua is known to perhaps 0.06% of the world.

[+] Grass@sh.itjust.works -48 points 11 months ago

When you dump a bunch of white criminals on a tiny continent and let them breed...

[+] Chunk@lemmy.world -53 points 11 months ago

When you introduce two groups of people who have very different backgrounds.

Australians want to burn coal and spread hateful lies in the international media.

Aboriginals didn't even have a way to make fire, write, make wheels, or farm.

Sadly, I'm not surprised that some stupid members of each group will cause trouble where it doesn't need to exist. It's really unfortunate. This major is one of those awful people.

[-] fiat_lux@kbin.social 55 points 11 months ago

Aboriginals didn’t even have a way to make fire, write, make wheels, or farm.

Incorrect, indigenous Australians used fire extensively for land management. They were the first society in the world that we have evidence of milling seed for flour (36k years ago), they had yam plantations, built stone weirs for fish farming, and a bunch of other things. The reason people believe they didn't is because their way of life was systematically erased and dismissed as 'primitive' by the colonialists.

They didn't use wheels, because many groups used waterways for transport instead. Other groups were on land where the environment wasn't really conducive to wheeled transport.

They also didn't have writing, instead relying on an extensive oral history, as many cultures have.

Please don't spread misinformation.

Australians want to burn coal and spread hateful lies in the international media.

Largely incorrect as well, even if Australians are having issues with their government and the mining/energy industries.

[-] Bluetreefrog@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

Kudos for your wholesome response.

[-] r_wraith@discuss.tchncs.de 4 points 11 months ago

Incorrect, indigenous Australians used fire extensively for land management. They were the first society in the world that we have evidence of milling seed for flour (36k years ago), they had yam plantations, built stone weirs for fish farming, and a bunch of other things.

Interesting. Any sources I could look up?

[-] fiat_lux@kbin.social 17 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

You bet!

If you're not familiar with Australian Aboriginal and Torres Strait islander cultures generally, the Deadly Stories history timeline and the rest of the site gives a good high level overview from an aboriginal perspective. Especially for the creation stories which is a core similarity between different groups. There's some who claim elements in the stories go as far back as when there were still megafauna. True? No idea. But fun to consider.

Bruce Pascoe wrote Dark Emu in 2019 which is a very important book about agriculture and tech that upset a lot of people. I've linked you a page that contains a brief summary plus links to academic responses to it, because it did cause controversy. Apologies for the school-age-centric link, there's a big push in education right now to teach kids about the aboriginal stuff they didn't teach adults, so links to aboriginal science tend to be at this level or uni research papers.

The whole movie about the writing of that book, criticism and backlash is up on ABC iView - The Dark Emu Story if you're keen for something more human that gets into the racism of erasing aboriginal science too. A shit VPN might be needed, but I doubt ABC has done much more to geoblock.

Short article on aboriginal engineering, from NITV who cover news from an aboriginal perspective.

Older article on fire as land management by aboriginal peoples with a few pics is a good entry point for that topic. Fire is a huge part of many aboriginal groups, so the idea they didn't have it is frankly ridiculous on the surface. Like they only ate raw food and huddled in caves for warmth for 60k years or something, i mean come on.

And just because I enjoy it, this map of the aboriginal groups in Australia. Also because people keep talking about Aboriginal Australians as though they are a monolith. There are at least 250 languages.

[-] r_wraith@discuss.tchncs.de 2 points 11 months ago

Thank you very much for the information. I will check it out.

[-] cantstopthesignal@sh.itjust.works -3 points 11 months ago

Did the aboriginals use fire to cook food?

[-] fiat_lux@kbin.social 9 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

We have evidence of ovens from 4000 years ago, so very much yes. They always have, and it is baffling to me that anyone would say otherwise. Even 20 years ago nobody claimed bizarre things like that.

[-] Bluetreefrog@lemmy.world 8 points 11 months ago

I remember seeing a talk by Bruce Pascoe where he described how the published journals of the early white explorers had been censored to remove references to the extensive agriculture, grain silos and aquaculture except where they painted them in a negative light.

He also told off one journal entry where a cake given by a First Nation person was described as the softest, sweetest cake he had ever eaten. He made the point that this was a comment coming from an Englishman!

[-] fiat_lux@kbin.social 5 points 11 months ago

It's much easier to be xenophobic when there are no rumours or evidence that a culture has worthwhile inventions and knowledge. It's also easier to stamp out cultures which rely mostly on oral history and have a strong tradition of secrecy, even within immediate families. Even though Aboriginals didn't have writing, many had detailed maps. It's just that they were in a temporary medium like sand accompanied by stories that were memorised.

I only clued in maybe 6 years ago that it wasn't just clueless arrogant colonialists killing people for their land and not knowing what indigenous farms looked like; and that the claims of deliberate cultural erasure had real weight. I was lucky enough to meet by chance some aboriginal educators who pointed me to actual physical evidence like the grinding stones. Had I never met them I may not have known.

I could not explain, without it being at least partially intentional, how we weren't taught that we knew Australia's native peoples baked bread 20k years before anywhere else in the world. And how we were even told they had no bread or buildings.

So when I see things like "they didn't have fire", especially a week before the referendum... I just can't even. We're asking a bunch of people who were taught lies and some who intentionally spread them to decide on the worthiness of a genocided minority group. It's just tragic.

[-] Lmaydev@programming.dev 1 points 11 months ago

History is written by the winners.

I'd imagine most of the history we know is incorrect due to the obvious bias in our sources.

[-] fiat_lux@kbin.social 2 points 11 months ago

I prefer to use the word 'victor' than 'winner'. Only because winner feels like it implies a fair game.

[-] 01011@monero.town 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I prefer the term "violent pieces of shit".

I still cannot believe that there are idiots who think the native peoples of Australia had no knowledge of fire.

[-] Lmaydev@programming.dev 7 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

With much of it unsafe or unpalatable raw, a variety of methods were employed to render the various foods edible, such as cooking on open fires (meat) or boiling in bark containers. They would pound vegetables and seeds, or hang them in bags in running water.[

Many foods are also baked in the hot campfire coals, or baked for several hours in ground ovens. "Paperbark", the bark of Melaleuca species, is widely used for wrapping food placed in ground ovens. Bush bread was made by women using many types of seeds, nuts and corns to process a flour or dough.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bush_tucker

[-] 01011@monero.town 13 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

The problem was/is the introduction of Europeans. Not the natives.

[-] sartalon@futurology.today 3 points 11 months ago

Copy paste that for every continent outside of Europe.

[-] hardcoreufo@lemmy.world 4 points 11 months ago

I think we can include Europe as well.

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