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[–] unit327@lemmy.zip 7 points 5 hours ago (1 children)
[–] Doomsider@lemmy.world 2 points 2 hours ago

Nu uh, the casing can be replicated and the anti matter can be siphoned from the ships engines.

Source: Star Trek Adventures

[–] bigbangdangler@reddthat.com 9 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Not a continuity error specifically, but this has always irked me: In STIV, Kirk says that he and Spock are headed "back to San Francisco", presumably from Sausalito. But anyone with a passing knowledge of geography can see from the position of the bridge behind them that they are, in that moment, standing in San Francisco. In fact, you can see Sausalito across the bay behind them.

[–] charonn0@startrek.website 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

PSA: There's a special screening of Star Trek IV in San Francisco on June 13 to honor the 40th anniversary. Nick Meyer (writer/producer on IV) will be there. I'm sure he will be pleased to explain how a wizard did it.

https://www.voguemovies.com/nicholas-meyer

[–] CookieOfFortune@lemmy.world 7 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I rewatched this movie recently and noticed this as well! Still one of my favorites.

[–] bigbangdangler@reddthat.com 3 points 12 hours ago

Oh yes, definitely one of the greats!

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 19 points 15 hours ago (3 children)
[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 3 points 11 hours ago

ok but the tos example was just that they found harry muds ship adrift in space.

[–] StarvingMartist@sh.itjust.works 5 points 15 hours ago

Looks good to me

[–] GraniteM@lemmy.world 21 points 17 hours ago (3 children)

It's not a continuity error as such, but I'm a big fan of all the technologies that by rights should have completely upended galactic civilization but then just get forgotten.

The Genesis device should be an appalling superweapon that would change the face of war.

And then those missiles from Generations that can kill an entire solar system should, too.

And the time on TNG that they stumbled on a weird transporter trick that could make it so no one would ever need to die of old age ever again.

And the Tribble blood that cures death.

And so forth.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 1 points 1 hour ago

Presumably every warp capable species would have the ability to construct a few thousand hydrogen bombs (or weapons even more powerful) so would have the capability of wiping out life on a planet if they wanted to. So the Genesis device wouldn't be a thing that would change the face of war, the problem was that a crazy person had such a weapon.

Though Star Trek is kinda hand wavy around nuclear weapons in general... maybe photon torpedoes are more powerful than an H-Bomb? But it doesn't feel that way. At any rate, Starfleet, the Klingons, Romulans, etc. all have technology to wipe out a planet because we have that technology in the present day. They just don't do that I guess? To me that's the real continuity error.

And the time on TNG that they stumbled on a weird transporter trick that could make it so no one would ever need to die of old age ever again.

Another time a transporter accident led to a copy of Riker (with all of his memories) both on the ship and on the planet. You could recreate those conditions and create endless copies of people. The Federation wouldn't do that because of morals and stuff, but the Dominion wouldn't give a shit. They could have their best squad of Jem Hader stand on a transporter pad and beam down endless copies of them down onto a planet. They're cloning people anyway, so why not take it to the next level?

The transporter is just endless continuity problems. Shields are down, oh no they're beaming over boarding parties! Why are they doing that instead of using the transporting the crew of the enemy ship into their brig (if they're good guys) or into space (if they're bad guys)?

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 11 hours ago

you ever read bad space. he has a great one where they have something like a transporter so they start remaking everything but the brain to a younger pattern.

[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 8 points 15 hours ago

Don't forget Doctor Giger's Cellular Regeneration and Entertainment Chamber!

[–] MalikMuaddibSoong@startrek.website 7 points 14 hours ago (3 children)

Warp 10 and salamanders. Great examples 👌

But what about TNG 7x09, the one where we learn that warp travel damages subspace and that a warp speed limit is the solution?

Later, the Federation Council issues a new directive limiting all Federation vessels to a speed of warp five except in extreme emergencies.

Laughs in Janeway

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Force_of_Nature_(Star_Trek:_The_Next_Generation)

[–] directive0@lemmy.world 4 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

Isnt the warp speed limit part of the in universe reason that Voyager has new variable nacelle geometry?

[–] MalikMuaddibSoong@startrek.website 6 points 14 hours ago (1 children)

I had no idea they were related, but apparently they were (thanks 😉). But that too was soon retconned:

According to comments by Michael and Denise Okuda, when mentioning of the speed limit was abandoned a few years after "Force of Nature", it was assumed that newer ships, such as the USS Voyager and USS Defiant, had improved environmentally friendly warp drive systems, that did not cause damage to the spatial continuum.

https://memory-alpha.fandom.com/wiki/Variable_geometry_pylon

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 4 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

It's technically not canon anyway, and I don't really like it as an explanation, since we don't see variable-geometry nacelles on other ships of the era.

Best to assume they solved the subspace damage problem through some other means, IMO.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 11 hours ago

I like to think a party got elected that felt warp speed tearing up subspace was a fakenewz hoax.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 1 points 11 hours ago

janeway? I don't think ships stranded so far they are unlikely to get back are going to be obeying speed edicts. the whole setup is an extreme emergency.

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[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 17 points 21 hours ago (2 children)

I'm watching VOY at the moment, and it makes no sense how Seven of Nine's parents would have made contact with and been assimilated by the Borg, decades before Q threw the Enterprise-D across the galaxy to make (what we assumed to be) first contact with them.

In "Q who", meeting the Borg is portrayed like blood in the water — now they have learned of the Federation, they will not stop until you are assimilated. Except oh wait, they did assimilate those three humans several years before, so they would have already known about the Federation.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 4 points 11 hours ago (1 children)

Didn't her parent seek out the borg? I am more confused on why the borg would send a drone from the alpha quadrant to the delta quadrant.

[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 2 points 9 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, they went on their research expedition because apparently rumours about those weord transhumanister Swedes had already reached the Federation? Again, 18-20 years before "Q who"... The timeline is messed up, even before we consider time travel.

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 8 hours ago

yeah it sounded like at the level of mythology way at the frontier of colonies toward the delta quadrant. They went into the delta quadrant in their search for years. so like I think even the crazy hillbilly colonists thought of it as a fairy tale to scare children.

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 8 points 15 hours ago (2 children)

Even TNG is weird about that, since their method of attacking colonies is called out as being identical to the attacks along the Neutral Zone at the end of season one, so the Borg had been operating in the Federation and Romulans' back yards for a while.

[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 8 points 15 hours ago

Yyyyeahhhh... 😬 That's not exactly planned out.

Also, the idea that Borg are fine with other beings running around their ships as long as you don't point a phaser at them, or other aggressive gesturing I suppose. That's out the window by the time of VOY "Dark frontier", Janeway and Tuvok are carrying phaser rifles at the ready all around the Borg sphere.

[–] kieron115@startrek.website 2 points 15 hours ago (1 children)

Weren't the Borg originally meant to be those worm-parasite things?

[–] ValueSubtracted@startrek.website 4 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

That belief stems back to the publication of the Star Trek Chronology (2nd edition), and it might be true, but I've never actually seen direct confirmation from any of the writers involved.

[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 30 points 1 day ago (1 children)

The warp scale changed. The Enterprise exceeded warp 10 several times in the Original Series. Then that infamous episode of Voyager claims that warp 10 is a theoretical limit which is difficult to reach and literally impossible to exceed.

[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 12 points 20 hours ago (1 children)

Scotty was simply that good at tweaking the engines. That, or the crew were just playing to Kirk's ego, pretending to go super fast à la "this amp goes to 11” while they trundled along at warp 7.

[–] SatyrSack@quokk.au 12 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (1 children)

Moving at 10+ in TOS was always due to some alien influence or something. The Enterprise engines were definitely not capable of those speeds under normal conditions.

With that said, in TOS, warp 10+ is just "you are moving really fast". But in VOY, warp 10 is "you are literally occupying every point in space simultaneously" and there is nothing past warp 10. It is a complete reimagining of the ceiling to warp speed. In TOS, it seemed there was no theoretical maximum warp speed, just like how there is no theoretical maximum to kilometers per hour. But by VOY, warp was capped at 10, and once you reached that speed, you became a salamander because reasons.

The best fan explanation for the retcon that I have seen to justify why the scale appears to differ in-universe is that they are genuinely different units. That at some time between TOS/VOY, scientists made some new breakthrough in their understanding of warp mechanics and discovered that there actually was a ceiling to warp speed. As such, they decided to change the standard warp units, making "warp 10" this new ceiling and everything else is just a fraction of that. According to this logic, when Scotty says "Wow, we are traveling at warp 30!" he is speaking in TOS-era warp units, which translates to just something like "warp 8" in VOY-era units.

[–] haverholm@kbin.earth 5 points 15 hours ago

Frankly, I never saw the salamander thing as a real downside to transwarp 🦎

[–] grue@lemmy.world 11 points 22 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (2 children)

The 2009 movie. Just, like, the whole thing.

(And I'm not even talking about differences between the JJ-verse and the "prime" timeline; I'm talking about shit not making any damn sense in the internal context of the plot. Kirk was a mutinous fuck-up cadet who should've been thrown out the airlock when Spock had the chance, not promoted straight from cadet to captain by the end of the movie!)

[–] HubertManne@piefed.social 2 points 11 hours ago

maybe its closer to the mmo universe where everyone goes from just graduating the academy as a ensign to being made leuitenant but given a command as part of it.

[–] ClipperDefiance@piefed.social 2 points 13 hours ago

This could be argued to be a thing related to the split from the original timeline, but the Kelvin version of Chekov is born four years earlier than his original timeline counterpart.

[–] aldhissla@piefed.world 13 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

So how big are DS9 and the Defiant actually? The scales were all over the place.

[–] SpaceCowboy@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 hour ago (1 children)

The Defiant is big enough for a runabout to easily fly around inside of it.

[–] aldhissla@piefed.world 1 points 7 minutes ago

And if Honey, I didn't shrink the kids?

[–] Vanth@reddthat.com 19 points 1 day ago (4 children)

Klingons look very different through the various shows. And more than just costuming progress of the time.

TOS:

TNG-era, the one I think most people would think of:

Discovery:

And the latest show, Academy, reverts back to TNG-era style Klingons.

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