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cross-posted from: https://piefed.social/c/shermanposting/p/1855263/don-t-be-a-loser
The issue is, if you care at all about how the Palestinian people are treated, you’re labeled an antisemite. That word is being used to shut down ANY discourse.
While real antisemitism is also on the rise
It sounds like victim blaming, but a lot of the rise of antisemitism is being fueled by the actions of the Israeli state itself. Over the course of the last few years the state has burned through 80 years of good will and hard work put in by groups devoted to fighting real antisemitism.
A lot of the behaviour like flexing control over the media, and political systems that antisemitic groups have been falsely accusing them of have been made true through the acts of the Israeli far right government. Furthering the idea that these antisemitic groups have been correct the whole time. The worse thing is that the state is intentionally conflating the idea that the actions of Israel represent the intent of all Jewish people, labeling any criticism against the state antisemitic behavior. This only serves to validate the behaviour of real antisemitic actors, giving them cover to disguise their racism under a veil of righteous criticism.
Israel spent significant resources propagandizing that they speak for every jewish people on earth. As a part ashkenazi, I was called blood traitor many times for suggesting that maybe genocide shouldn't be happening actually. And I can't even betray any blood, I wasn't even rised jewish and I don't look the part.
Yep, after Palestinians this propaganda campaign is most dangerous for ethnic Jews. It always amazes me that people who survived the consequences of people attempting to create an ethnostate are so quick to want to create one themselves.
I can label someone a sociopath for wearing red shoes, doesn't make them one.
Agreed. But that doesn’t change the fact that it shuts down discourse.
Anti-semitism is a bankrupt term. Its being weaponized by nazi-Israel against anyone who criticize Israel. We should rather use a plain term like judeophobia so that we are clear in our speech.
Agree with this outside of those opposing genocide being labeled as antisemites.
Was going to say, the quote sounds great, but of course I had a feeling the context was probably saying... calling the specific government/individuals who are commiting a genocide out for what they are actually doing. Rather than hating people for what their race is.
Actually, the speech is mostly about that last part even as it starts on the Holocaust. Since so far I didn't see a link to it, here it is: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsETTn7DehI
The term "semite" has two definitions, one traditional and one modern. Palestinians are semitic according to both of them.
No but don't you understand? Criticizing the Israeli government for slaughtering Palestinians is anti-Semitic for... reasons.
This is personal for him. IIRC his dad was a Nazi and during his childhood he remembered him being a sad angry man, never getting over the loss.
Whatever your views on him as an actor or his political affiliation, you should watch the original speech in its entirety, rather than keep this soundbite in and of itself and hijack its meaning. It's also worth noting this was recorded in early 2023, so a lot of things have changed since then.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsETTn7DehI
I think it's a powerful message and well delivered. Something the hardline MAGA crowd definitely needed to heed. And all around the world, as more of these populist movements rise or have risen.
as an actor
Schwarzenegger may have had a very specific niche he fit within as an actor, but when he worked within that niche he was excellent. If you look at Conan the Barbarian, it should not have worked as a movie, and yet it absolutely does, and no small part of that is his acting. Dude can smolder stoically. Terminator, T2, Running Man, Total Recall, Predator, they're all excellent uses of his very specific type.
Then jump ahead to True Lies and Last Action Hero, where he's arguably at his height of fame, and he makes basically a couple of parodies of his acting persona, during a time when action heroes were largely taken much more seriously than they are today, and he nails both of those roles, too.
Sure, he's got a bad habit of trying to make movies he maybe shouldn't have, and yeah, he's always a huge muscly Austrian with a thick accent, but I think he might be the best Western action star who's ever lived.
As a person or a politician... ehh... could be a lot worse.
Certain Republicans such as Arnold Schwarzenegger, tend to be considered moderate Republicans and more centrist than the national party.
Then why are you a Republican?
Because he immigrated to the US after hearing a speech from Reagan and promptly went from having almost nothing to starting his own business and becoming a multi-millionaire before he got into acting. He's what the Republican party used to advertise itself as. He is to the Republican Party what Worf is to the Klingon Empire.
He is to the Republican Party what Worf is to the Klingon Empire.
Ahh finally an analogy my Lemmy brain can understand.
Sadly he joined the GOP.
While I may like the sentiment, his actions are contrary to it.
Certain Republicans such as Arnold Schwarzenegger, tend to be considered moderate Republicans and more centrist than the national party.
The GOP glorifies personal responsibility while making sure that individuals without wealth have little to no power.
Perhaps have a look at what he achieved instead of the label he achieved it under. His policies were pretty far removed from what you would expect from a Republican.
Then maybe he shouldn't be registered with a party that's against all his values.
He's a Republican because he fell for the Reagan bling, he's said multiple times he got in it for him. I think he never really understood what that actually meant, and he did side with leftist ideas more often than against, and he did do a bunch of things that are more leftist than he understands, but he still had some pretty entrenched ideas of what a Republican is that he never managed to question despite having reality shoved in his face, so he's still a Republican by religion and lack of reckoning of what that really does.
Decidedly have no love for the GOP, but he was a politician in a time where the GOP was immensely different from what it is today, and the focus of the party was not overt bigotry and absolutism. Iirc, he was also talked about as a bit of a black sheep during the Bush Jr.-era GOP politics, but I might be misremembering things based on my own impressions from that time.
MAGA/GOP? Losers. Zionists? Losers.
And yet they cause incomprehensible suffering. We must stop them now.
Well alright could you please also forward that note to the genocidal child killers that are ranzig Gaza and Lebanon?
I really don't want more antisemitism but that's not something I can control as Israel itself is currently the biggest driver of antisemitism in the world
He forgot to say MAGA are losers didn't he?
Iirc, I think I remember this speech of his. It was about magas and telling them to go the fuck home, shut the fuck up, and grow up. Basically trying to Daddy them and tell them to stop acting like the losers they are.
Israel is an apartheid state though…
On his final day in office, California Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger "announced in an executive order signed on December 31, 2010, that he had commuted Nunez's sentence from 16 years to seven years. Back-room dealings were apparent.".
Just swinging through to say fuck Schwarzenegger.
Lmao does that mean he's against the apartheid in Israel or playing into their propaganda? Cause It could really be either lol
Something all of us have to keep in mind, especially based on many of the comments here generalizing about MAGA, Jews (and the guilt by association angle), immigrants more broadly (for the rare conservative about these parts), etc..
I see a lot of rationalization and emotionally strong trigger words being used to justify acting the way Arnold is being celebrated for saying people should not act.