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[–] Zink@programming.dev 2 points 7 hours ago

Here's my personal anecdote that supports this.

I live in Pennsylvania, which is considered a swing state, but it did vote for Trump both of the times he won. Pretty humiliating.

AGDQ this year was in Pittsburgh so I got to attend a couple days. It is by far the most inclusive crowd I've been in locally, where people can just let their true colors out without constant fear. I think it's the only crowd where I've heard "trans rights" exclaimed and met with cheers. And it's truly inclusive in both directions. I'm a big old bearded straight cis white guy and nothing made me feel out of place either.

Between gaming communities and FOSS/linux communities, I think it's we nerds who are so inclusive!

[–] 1984@lemmy.today 1 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago)

I dont recognize this but sure, study says... But im going to go with my own experience. :)

[–] Mwa@thelemmy.club 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

makes sense,maybe the less inclusive/racism thing comes from your view not the video games you play.
but i think it depends on the game you play.

[–] pineapplelover@lemmy.dbzer0.com 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago) (1 children)

Unless that game is csgo

Source: I play csgo

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works 3 points 12 hours ago

Don't for get dota 2!

Source: I play valve games.

[–] stickly@lemmy.world 16 points 23 hours ago (3 children)

From my quick read through of their methods it seems like they didn't account very well for the types of games, platforms and demographics. The decade in question saw a massive explosion of gaming as a hobby into the mainstream and, importantly, a strong growth of women in the gaming population.

So as a whole you have games becoming more mainstream to younger ("woke") audiences and more accessible while the inclusive-biased demographics also blew up. It's not at all shocking that you'd find more inclusivity there.

A much more interesting study would be separating the gamers from the Gamers. Show me how people playing Splatoon and Animal Crossing compare to the neckbeards living in LoL and HoI4...

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 10 points 13 hours ago (2 children)

A much more interesting study would be separating the gamers from the Gamers.

That would require you to define a Real Gamer, which would be divisive by design.

It's an exercise in nutpicking.

[–] starelfsc2@sh.itjust.works 2 points 6 hours ago

It's hard to give an exact definition, but someone playing candy crush on their phone is meaningfully different than a LoL player. Not in elitism or whatever, but for example one is a game any person might play for a bit while bored, and one is a demanding competitive immersive game. I would say a good separation is the cozy / not competitive games with competitive games, since the competitive ones are the places most people think of Gamers not being accepting.

[–] Holytimes@sh.itjust.works -5 points 12 hours ago (2 children)

Normally I would agree... But there is a seriously real difference between someone who plays csgo dota and hoi4 vs someone who plays animal crossing splatoon and peak.

Its fundamentally two entirely different demographics which no over lap. Both are gamers but only one set are "gamers".

Anyone who's been around long enough knows how fast the gap between the groups are.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 6 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Yeah I have no idea why you lumped first person shooter players, moba players, and 4x players in the same category. Talk about fundamentally different demographics.

Edit: by the way, I love the Endless series (Legends, Space 2) and love Animal Crossing. I also have 5000 hours in Tarkov. Peak is also fun.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 10 hours ago (1 children)

there is a seriously real difference between someone who plays csgo dota and hoi4 vs someone who plays animal crossing splatoon and peak.

About ten years of age range, for the most part.

Its fundamentally two entirely different demographics which no over lap

Yeah, famously, people never get older

[–] LyingCake@feddit.org 2 points 9 hours ago (2 children)

Which of these groups do you expect to be older, I honestly cannot tell. I swear, not bait.

Personally, I'd expect the nintendo group of these two to be the older one.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

Which of these groups do you expect to be older

In my experience, you start out playing Splatoon as a kid and then you discover CSGO when you get to HS/College and then you get a job, get married, have kids, and its back to playing Splatoon.

[–] Jax@sh.itjust.works 1 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

I can almost guarantee that 4x players are the oldest, yes this is a vibes based assumption.

[–] deft@lemmy.wtf 9 points 23 hours ago (2 children)

This is obviously just my experience but the younger generation is not inclusive at all, kind of the opposite. At least around the north east US where I have lived.

I work in a kitchen. I often have food runners, hosts and dishwashers who are under 18. They're extremely uncool sometimes.

[–] brucethemoose@lemmy.world 5 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Yeah.

Kids are jerks. They’re naive. I certainly was; I think that’s always been a thing, though I can’t comment on how much worse or better it’s gotten.

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[–] LovableSidekick@lemmy.world 33 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

In almost 50 years of playing D&D I've found that gamers tend to be more accepting of just about anybody than the general public is. I think it's partly because the gamer population itself gets more than its share of being spurned by that public.

[–] underscores@lemmy.zip 25 points 1 day ago

let me point you all in the right direction: people in general are more inclusive than the general public is led to believe

[–] Semi_Hemi_Demigod@lemmy.world 103 points 1 day ago (2 children)

Metal heads and punks are also really inclusive despite society viewing them otherwise.

[–] Takapapatapaka@tarte.nuage-libre.fr 29 points 1 day ago (3 children)

and despite a tiny but vocal minority of them being bigoted assholes (for metalheads at least, don't know enough about punks)

[–] applebusch@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 17 hours ago

every group of humans has a subset of bigoted assholes. dont hold it against them unless they are tolerated by the majority.

[–] inzen@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (3 children)

Might be just my anecdotal experience but that seems to be the case for basically any group of people. Edit: typos

[–] Rusty@lemmy.ca 1 points 12 hours ago

Maybe it depends on the subgenre of metal. Every time I discover a new black metal band, I have to research if they are Nazis or not.

Yeah, really good point. I'd say it's a bit peculiar with metalheads, since it's a culture that revolves around dark and violent themes, so it makes its bigoted members a bit more visibly harsh or extreme, than other musical (or not) cultures. But this is just me nitpicking, you hit right in the center.

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[–] Starik@lemmy.world 3 points 20 hours ago

Punks are always having to run off Nazis who want to come to their shows.

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[–] joyjoy@piefed.social 30 points 1 day ago (4 children)

All the people who complain about games being woke don't play any games.

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[–] nik282000@lemmy.ca 61 points 1 day ago (9 children)

Yeah, they are thinking of 2000s xbox live chat. It's been a while since then.

[–] Hoimo@ani.social 1 points 13 hours ago

This study isn't saying that xbox live users today are better than xbox live users 20 years ago. They may actually be worse. All they say is that xbox live users today hold more inclusive beliefs than the general public today. The community could still be more toxic than the general public, despite those beliefs. And the general public could have become worse over the last 20 years.

I think games these days don't select for anything in particular. It's a giant space that caters to every taste. That gamers are more inclusive than the general public could have any of a million reasons, but I think it's easier to look at non-gamers than try to find any commonalities among all gamers

[–] Ludicrous0251@piefed.zip 45 points 1 day ago

Also the trash tends to stink the most.

[–] alakey@piefed.social 18 points 1 day ago

Not really, I'm thinking of literal unapologetic nazis on Steam, gamergate chuds on Twitter, incels on Reddit, mykittens on Discord and so on and so forth. Competitive games suffer from bigotry the most, but there's still plenty of casual "you aren't a real gamer if all you play is Sims/Stardew/Animal Crossing" aimed primarily at women, too. And of course it's currently the wave of nick fuentes type stains that freak out over anything even remotely "woke" that keeps the shitshow going, the GoW situation literally just took place.

However I do think that all of the above is strongly amplified by the outrage content farms, so I can believe when "The authors suggest that hostility might be driven by a vocal minority of players rather than the general gaming population. It is also possible that certain specific online communities reinforce exclusionary behavior, even if the average gamer holds progressive views."

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[–] blackwateropeth@lemmy.world 11 points 1 day ago (1 children)

Just don’t hang out with Madden or COD players and you’re probably fine :D

[–] Kolanaki@pawb.social 8 points 1 day ago (1 children)
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[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 4 points 22 hours ago (4 children)

What stereotypes? I have never heard someone say that

[–] megopie@beehaw.org 5 points 18 hours ago

Largely comes from shit heads who use open VC, especially on FPS games, to say heinous shit, given that it’s pseudonymous and they’re not likely to face real consequences from it.

It’s less of a thing these days simply because the novelty has worn off and pseudonymity is less of a protection than it used to be, since a bad reputation in an online community actually means something if you spend a lot of time there.

But, a loud obnoxious idiot shouting slurs or spamming them in text chat tends to paint a whole community in a bad light, creating the stereotype.

[–] SaneMartigan@lemmy.world 3 points 16 hours ago

Bullies say that kind of stuff.

[–] Euphoma@lemmy.ml 3 points 21 hours ago* (last edited 21 hours ago) (1 children)

A couple years ago there was a meme of calling the n word the gamer word. I think this was caused by some streamers at the time saying the word on stream. Connotations of it being the gamer word.

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[–] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 3 points 22 hours ago (1 children)
[–] KeenFlame@feddit.nu 3 points 20 hours ago* (last edited 20 hours ago) (1 children)

Isn't it much more than a stretch to call those dickbags a stereotype of gamers? It was like 4 people. Unless I misunderstood the term "playa" or something..

[–] Herr_S_aus_H@lemmy.zip 1 points 16 hours ago

It was much more then just 4 people. More of a case of a vocal minority but it also shaped my perception of Gamers and made me disengage from almost all Gamer^TM^ spaces apart from News.

[–] supersquirrel@sopuli.xyz 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (4 children)

I play a lot of multiplayer games and I find that gaming constantly teaches me that no matter what, it always comes down to the quality of the community.

Every other aspect of design is a comparatively merely a detail.

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[–] PlzGibHugs@piefed.ca 17 points 1 day ago (6 children)

Direct link to the study: https://www.psycnet.org/doi/10.1037/ppm0000672

Unfortunately, its paywalled, but I'd be curious about the methodology and population.

[–] akwd169@sh.itjust.works 2 points 12 hours ago* (last edited 12 hours ago)

Well it was posted about by psypost which is dogshit and constantly spams headlines like this based off studies with n=25 chinese teenagers, online survey

But then psypost writes a 50 paragraph "blog" post about it like its gospel and never mentions these insane limitations, and almost everybody happily accepts these posts because the headline meets se confirmation bias if theirs, or an expected one at least, then sprints to the comments to blather on and on about it, never even reading the original crappy study

Its all really unscientific but masquerades as scientific fact

I despise psypost and think it should be banned

We cant even verify the methodology or sample size of this one but look at all the commenters in this thread who have seemingly accepted it as valid science

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