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I've started seeing various stories of people in the media speaking out in support of Palestine and being swiftly fired. I'm very curious if the current state of propaganda is going to increase the chance of people working in non-public facing jobs of also being fired and branded anti-Semitic. I'm scared of this coming up in the workplace because I don't think I'd be able to keep my mouth shut and I could absolutely see certain people starting shit.

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[-] posthexbearposting@hexbear.net 72 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Outside of no-cause firing being legal, USA has a bunch of cooked laws suppressing criticism of israel. I would be just as careful as talking about unions as talking about israel in the workplace. watch out for snitches and bosses. test the water first.

[-] NephewAlphaBravo@hexbear.net 40 points 9 months ago

i know hypocrisy is a dead meme but freeze-peach folks where you at?

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[-] GreatWhiteNope@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago

I could also see someone being fired with cause because they were reported to HR for being anti-semitic.

I’d tread very carefully and I don’t think the juice is worth the squeeze. You’re unlikely to change any minds in the workplace.

[-] Bnova@hexbear.net 51 points 9 months ago

My main coworker who I interact with the most is a half Chinese half Palestinian leftist so it's pretty rare for us not to be shouting about Zionist or Westerners getting what they deserve.

[-] AOCapitulator@hexbear.net 37 points 9 months ago
[-] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

inshallah I will be back in Johannesburg soon enough and no longer have to conceal being on the right side of history anymore.

[-] Elon_Musk@hexbear.net 49 points 9 months ago

It is against the law in some states to criticize Israel. I am not making this up. It is a fireable offense.

[-] NotErisma@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago

>gets told to shut up for making misogynistic/phobic jokes

frothingfash :AHHHHHHHHHHOPNYOOONGFhrt346 KROMER CANCEL NIEEEN TEEEN BAYDEE FOUR

>your employment opportunities are near zero if you openly criticize Israel

shrug-outta-hecks

[-] FactuallyUnscrupulou@hexbear.net 14 points 9 months ago

I was awarded a project at a VA hospital and the contract had explicit language that any parties involved are not to participate or endorse any BDS action against Israel.

[-] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 46 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Probably very high. I overheard some boxes of saltine crackers talking about it in Estonian, with the usual Redditbrain talking points (minus the overt pro-apartheid) coping about how Hamas is solely at fault, sabotaged a peace deal, war crime, etc.

Of course I can't say anything because I'm this one guy from South Africa who constantly wears a keffiyeh and is capable of material/historic analysis. Hell, HR already looks at me with suspicion for "harbouring anti-NATO views".

:estonia-cool:

[-] BongMasterFlash@hexbear.net 27 points 9 months ago

Didn't expect to see an Estonian comrade on here. Estonians are actually next-level NATO/state dept bootlickers.

[-] star_wraith@hexbear.net 21 points 9 months ago

some boxes of saltine crackers

I would like to know more about this insult, it’s very funny to me for some reason.

[-] SexMachineStalin@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago

It's basically a more advanced form of "cracker", I just came up with this on the spot some time ago.

Like calling someone a "tool". And then there's calling someone a "toolbox", a step up.

[-] PorkrollPosadist@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago

It's a salty cracker cracker

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago

There was someone who posted asking for Estonian Marxist perspectives at one point, maybe you should check that thread out

[-] flan@hexbear.net 45 points 9 months ago

i wouldnt be surprised if this is happening. Personally I'm going to keep my mouth shut in places where i'm not anonymous because losing my job right now would be pretty bad.

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[-] kristina@hexbear.net 43 points 9 months ago

If you're worried about this you should be unionizing

[-] footfaults@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago

Some states have anti BDS laws that they require unionized, state employees to sign

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 14 points 9 months ago

state unions are the most defanged kind of union tho

and its kinda their fault for letting it happen

[-] footfaults@hexbear.net 10 points 9 months ago

Complacency is corrosive

[-] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 9 months ago

Anti-union laws in Texas… death to America… :wail:

[-] ikilledtheradiostar@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Because we're unionized...

Our work place had a free Palestine rally.

[-] itsPina@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago

It's illegal in 35/50 US states lol unions ain't stopping that

[-] kristina@hexbear.net 12 points 9 months ago

No, they do actually stop that

[-] SoloboiNanook@hexbear.net 42 points 9 months ago

Id be fired as fuck lmao theres pro israel shit all over the slack channels and whatnot.

We also have business ties and people in ukraine

Death to amerikkka

[-] thirtymilliondeadfish@hexbear.net 37 points 9 months ago
[-] RNAi@hexbear.net 35 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

High, and honestly unless you are a high profile politician or journalist, would you really achieve anything arguing with your libs coworkers eager to rat you so you stop talking about unionizing?

Yes, I know the Mao quote, don't need to repeat me I'm a liberal

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[-] itsPina@hexbear.net 33 points 9 months ago

Depends where you live. Amerikkka it's probably not a safe bet to talk about this stuff openly. 35/50 US states have "anti-bds" laws meaning you can be fired for protesting Israel, even cooler you can't be hired as a state employee if you protest Israel. Muh first amendment tho

[-] centof@lemm.ee 33 points 9 months ago

I would just limit myself to stick with fact.

From 2000-2022, The death toll for the conflict was ~10.5k Palestinians vs ~1k Isrealis. https://israelpalestinetimeline.org/charts/

Considering this fact, it is not surprising some Palestinians are willing to go to extreme measures to get revenge.

[-] GeorgeZBush@hexbear.net 26 points 9 months ago

Thing is this won't work on most people. They'll see those numbers and be like "well they're terrorists, and also Hamas uses human shields." They will always find a way to justify Israel.

[-] CthulhusIntern@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago

"Damn, Hamas must be pretty dumb then, continuing to use that tactic, even after the IDF has repeatedly demonstrated willingness to shoot through them without hesitation."

[-] 420blazeit69@hexbear.net 16 points 9 months ago
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[-] centof@lemm.ee 9 points 9 months ago

Maybe not, people can only see the truth of the matter if they want to. If their worldview requires it to be a conflict of good vs evil, than they probably will ignore it to perserve their worldview.

well they’re terrorists, and also Hamas uses human shields.

My reply would be that they are also people who see themselves as in a shitty situation.

They will always find a way to justify Israel.

That is very likely true, but you don't know until you actually bring up the issue with them.

[-] GarbageShoot@hexbear.net 19 points 9 months ago

Considering this fact, it is not surprising some Palestinians are willing to go to extreme measures to get revenge.

Or perhaps that they are exceedingly desperate to gain ground

[-] Othello@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

me and my partner thought about that, i dont worry too much but he does (he makes all our money lol) so he covered his face at the protest (we both did, but thats for covid reasons). but generally I dont really have a problem with this stuff, ive been an open communist at my job from day one, and will talk about it in the office all the time, you can say anything if youre too good at your job lol. when ever theres a world event everyone at work messages me for my take anyway lol.

[-] Mindfury@hexbear.net 20 points 9 months ago

Just quote Jose Mourinho and refuse to elaborate or answer any following questions

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 17 points 9 months ago

If I speak I am in trouble?

[-] Lerios@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago

yesterday my dad called and brought up the current situation in palestine - not to talk about palestine, but specifically to tell me not to mention it (or any of my beliefs) at my new job. shits fucked.

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[-] Nagarjuna@hexbear.net 13 points 9 months ago

Who's gotten fired publicly?

[-] SoloboiNanook@hexbear.net 49 points 9 months ago
[-] TheCaconym@hexbear.net 38 points 9 months ago

lmao I thought you were kidding

The only thing she did was rightfully call the Palestinian fighters "freedom fighters", too.

[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 36 points 9 months ago

lmao Americans have zero right to be the arbiter of what is and isn’t terrorism

[-] Shinhoshi@lemmygrad.ml 21 points 9 months ago

That’s not fair, they’re experts on terrorism! ;P

[-] Parsani@hexbear.net 18 points 9 months ago

She also upset the vertical video defenders

[-] barrbaric@hexbear.net 15 points 9 months ago

2 good takes in one tweet, good for her.

[-] Pisha@hexbear.net 28 points 9 months ago

In Germany, the freelance journalist Malcolm Ohanwe got blacklisted by the state-funded broadcasters and he's not the first PoC to whom this has happened.

[-] RonPaulyShore@hexbear.net 23 points 9 months ago

a philly 76ers beat writer got canned.

[-] ksynwa@lemmygrad.ml 20 points 9 months ago

Finkelstein? I am not sure if he counts.

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