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[–] Tattorack@lemmy.world 10 points 9 hours ago

Yes. Yes, racists are retarded. There is no logical reason to harbour discrimination towards any ethnic group or rage of Humans. Therefore, those who do aren't logical or rational individuals.

[–] calebwill@lemmy.zip -2 points 7 hours ago

Racism sucks, but so does using the ableist r-slur.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 32 points 22 hours ago (2 children)

Why should I be bigoted over skin color when I can be bigoted over culture and religion. After all I have met good folks of many ethnic and racial groups, I have yet to meet a Utah Mormon whomst I didn't want to feed to the Joshua Trees.

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 19 points 18 hours ago (1 children)

I can be bigoted over culture and religion

I have yet to meet a Utah Mormon whomst I didn’t want to feed to the Joshua Trees.

I'm always thrown back to the Southpark guys when I think about lay Mormons. The whole "All About Mormons" episode (nevermind the Book of Mormon stage play) absolutely eviscerates the philosophy. But their attitude to actual religious practitioners is inevitably that they're just nice, simple-minded people. And going after any individual Mormon for their faith is a bit like going up to Santa Claus exhibit at the mall and screaming "Fake! Fake! It's all bullshit consumerism! Your parents are buying the presents!"

There's definitely shit people who are Mormon (Mitt Romney being the ur-example). But then there's shit people in every religious and philosophical niche. My cousin is married to a practicing Mormon and he's an absolute marshmallow sweetheart. All smiles, great with kids, quick to help anyway he can. Soft spoken, non-judgemental, a shameless teatoddler who is always happy to be the designated driver. You can raz him for being a bit bland and he'll laugh at your jokes, then maybe tease you about having had one too many coffees.

It's the people who are easy to bully and scare and intimidate that can make for a very dangerous "Silent Majority", because they'll just kinda go along to get along. But they're also fundamental to a peaceful, productive, and happy society when benevolent and visionary leaders are at the helm. If your society is all contrarian, belligerent, hard-drinking, fist-clenching, radical revolutionary/reactionary agitprop breathing soldiers of fortune, what you get is just endless fighting and misery and slaughter.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 10 points 17 hours ago (2 children)

Ya do realize I have more reason to hate Utah Mormons than just they're different right? I specifically focus on the Utahn culture and religious practices of Mormons because I see them as an active threat to basically every western state. If I could get away with just purging BYU, LDS HQ, and the Utahn government I'd be more than happy to settle for that, I just severely doubt that would end my complaints.

If it makes it any more understandable I am far less forgiving towards Evangelical mega churches, which all I can think is that there are only viable targets for such groups.

[–] LwL@lemmy.world 1 points 1 hour ago

A lot of the individuals aren't in there entirely of their own will though. Particularly with BYU, the institution itself is a cancer, but the individual students are really not at fault (at least certainly not all of them). The university portrays itself very differently than it actually is, and you effectively cannot leave the mormon church while you attend (unless you want to get kicked out and have all your time there completely wasted).

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world -4 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

I have more reason to hate Utah Mormons than just they’re different right?

A rationalization, certainly.

If I could get away with just purging BYU, LDS HQ, and the Utahn government I’d be more than happy to settle for that

Downright Israeli of you.

I am far less forgiving towards Evangelical mega churches

It just sounds like you're on the warpath.

[–] vaultdweller013@sh.itjust.works 6 points 10 hours ago

Yeah I have a rational and structure to whom I hate, that's called a philosophy. Sure mine may be rather notable in modernity for its archaicism and weird reference points, but I don't particularly care since if my ideology was followed fascists wouldn't be threatening the American project so thoroughly. Live and let live only works when the other person also respects the truce.

If the Israelis only targeted directly hostile entities and didn't intentionally go out of their way to create new ones they wouldn't be of note. But they can't they're too obsessed with so called Lebensraum, how I hope to see their cities sacked and a new diaspora created.

I wish I was on a warpath, but I am not at liberty to take such actions sadly. Too many folks don't have enough hate in their hearts towards the preacher, the politician, and the businessman. There ain't a thing that you or anyone else could say to me to assuage my want to burn and salt the earth.

[–] drunkpostdisaster@lemmy.world 1 points 17 hours ago (1 children)
[–] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 1 points 12 hours ago

Erika Kirk agrees

[–] BlackLaZoR@lemmy.world 5 points 18 hours ago

OP should watch Django

[–] czer0_@sh.itjust.works 24 points 1 day ago
[–] deepvertic@lemmy.world 7 points 1 day ago (5 children)

I don't disagree with the sentiment, however this is a strawman argument. I don't see intelligence inversely correlated with racism either.

[–] daannii@lemmy.world 3 points 8 hours ago

It's a product of lazy thinking.

Instead of evaluating people on an individual basis it's categorizing them based on some physical trait. That has nothing to do with their behavior or personality.

This is why bigotry is the game of the lazy thinkers.

Lazy thinkers are not intelligent because to foster intelligence one must delve into things. Consider things. Contemplate how things work.

Not just accept crude rules because it's easy.

This trait is called. Need for cognition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Need_for_cognition

It's highly correlated with intelligence.

[–] Duamerthrax@lemmy.world 8 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

I don’t see intelligence inversely correlated with racism either.

I do. Racism is in direct conflict with Empathy and Empathy can be biologically explained by Mirror Neurons, which influences how learning works. At least the Learning by Example type of education.

[–] elaina@lemmy.zip 1 points 24 minutes ago

Is empathy a form of intelligence?

[–] UnderpantsWeevil@lemmy.world 8 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago)

I don’t see intelligence inversely correlated with racism either.

Increasingly byzantine rationalizations for why you're an asshole used to be the centerpiece of conservative intellectualism. You could get a PhD in racism if you worked hard enough. The SCOTUS and the appellate courts are packed with people who can tie an argument in knots to justify some new level of human misery. The Pentagon and its contracting affiliates are stuffed with top tier engineers and logistical savants and IT professionals fully inducted into the white supremacist worldview.

Some of the most impressive feats of social engineering have occurred in order to perpetuate social anxiety between ethnic groups.

[–] porous_grey_matter@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 day ago (12 children)

It's obviously not a strict one-to-one relationship but I do think more intelligent people are on average slightly less racist.

[–] Donkter@lemmy.world 3 points 12 hours ago

I think the issue is we don't really have a measurement for intelligence. Qualitatively, I think you are more intelligent if you have the reasoning capabilities to logic yourself out of reactionary feelings like racism, but it's really hard to measure that.

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[–] Zephyr@sh.itjust.works 121 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (22 children)

There are a few forms or levels of racism. There are people who really believe the narrative, some who question some of it, and others who are aware it's bullshit but accept it because it benefits them or going against the narrative could be harmful for themselves. In short humans will craft whatever story they need to justify behavior they want without any concerns for logical consistency. You can see this behavior in racism now and of course many other aspects of society and human behavior. Humans are storytellers, more so than logical beings.

Funny enough Benjamin Franklin has a short story on this. He as a vegetarian was lamenting his compatriots catching, killing, and cooking fish, listing all the reasons it's immoral until he begins to smell the delicious fish and then starts writing about how maybe it's not so bad, is fine, is even his god given right to eat the fish. The moral being humans can and will justify whatever they want to do. Also I'm aware of his own connection to slavery and inhumane practices.

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[–] JigglySackles@lemmy.world 15 points 1 day ago

Always have been.

[–] VelvetPinkOtter123@lemmy.world 49 points 1 day ago (2 children)

I'm not a historian but I believe the sad truth is that they saw them like animals; capable of being trained to do jobs but not smart enough to understand more complex issues or choose the tasks themselves

Like a dog. You can train your dog to guard your house or hunt birds but you probably don't trust your dog to vote

It's fucked up

[–] FistingEnthusiast@lemmy.world 3 points 23 hours ago (1 children)

And yet you keep defending Elmo's nazi salute...

What is actually rattling around inside that head of yours?

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[–] Lumisal@lemmy.world 21 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

I've seen how people vote. I'd take the chances with the dogs, so maybe a bad example. I feel like they might be able to better know who's a piece of shit than most humans can.

[–] Thebeardedsinglemalt@lemmy.world 8 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

One Sunday morning I walked out into my ex's open garage and sitting in there was a stray dog. Her neck fur had a mark as though someone recently pulled off her collar and dumped her on the back road. I calmly approached the dog and turns out she was the sweetest doggo and instantly got along with my ex's other 2 dogs. She rarely barked and would always just walk up to someone, sit and wait to get petted. Even the ex's dad who doesn't like dogs eventually warmed up to her because of how sweet she was.

Weeks later we took her to an event downtown on an unseasonably hot fall afternoon beer fest. That dog wanted nothing more than to just get pet by as many people as possible. Outside the front door of a brewery was a worker sitting in a chair almost drenched in sweat looking like he hated life. She walked up to him, sat down and looked at him, and he instantly smiled.

Working one of the beer tents was an interim director of HR from my job who was one of the most miserable shit-birds I ever had the displeasure to work with. She did nothing but complain about everything and everyone, blindly blamed everyone for things she simply didn't understand, I even nearly got written up because this lady didn't take the time to read my explanation about an error report when new employees are loaded into a benefits system. Even the sweetest dog wanted nothing to do with that miserable fuck.

I'll trust the dogs to be a better judge of character than half the mouthbreathers who vote at the polls.

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[–] whereitsat@lemmy.zip 43 points 1 day ago

they are though.

anyone who grew up in the american suburbs grew up with parents who couldn't cook a proper meal despite the existence of cookbooks and were like 'how about kraft dinner.'

you think you eat kraft macaroni and cheese at a hood bbq?

i'd rather have had a black woman cooking for me lol. are you fucking serious?

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