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Hey all you beautiful selfhosters,

What are your suggestions for frugally obtaining HDDs in the current economic climate? Specifically the EU (Netherlands).

I'm looking at second hand drives, but even those go for €100+ now, with bad sectors and all.

Can we organise a collective AI datacenter robbery and doll out some stolen drives? 😁

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[–] utjebe@reddthat.com 9 points 6 hours ago (1 children)
[–] daniskarma@lemmy.dbzer0.com 2 points 2 hours ago (1 children)

It looks like good prices. But every single one is out of stock

[–] utjebe@reddthat.com 1 points 2 hours ago

I see 14 SKUs in stock. They explain how they get stock, just need to be patient.

That said, OP is asking for something around 100 EUR which is pretty low and not many enterprises or SMBs will buy drives that small. That just sucks if you need something like 4Tb.

They have good deals on 10+ Tb drives tho.

[–] Joelk111@lemmy.world 4 points 8 hours ago* (last edited 8 hours ago)

My work sells commercial tier drives that were used by customers in NVRs for $10/TB. It's honestly a great perk of the job for a data hoarder like myself with a fully redundant 100TB of stuff (aka 200TB of drives). I also got a dope 16 bay server chassis with slides and a few other components from them. I fully intend to drop like 2 grand on HDDs if/when I move to a new company, assuming they don't fire me for AI or something first.

[–] vinylll04@lemmy.zip 1 points 7 hours ago

Enterprise decommissions, workplace, stuff ehere they just want to get rid of it quick

[–] CorrectAlias@piefed.blahaj.zone 11 points 15 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago) (2 children)

Ebay, particularly GoHardDrives, or sometimes you'll find new drives from random sellers.

I also check ServerPartDeals. Drives are pricy these days, don't sneeze near your NAS.

Edit: I'm not sure if they ship internationally or not, however.

[–] uncooked24@lemmy.zip 5 points 12 hours ago (1 children)

2/3 of the drives I received from GoHardDrive failed within 2 years and all I got was a pre-bubble refund.

Oof. πŸ™ƒ

[–] T156@lemmy.world 2 points 12 hours ago

They do, but there may be better local alternatives, since the shipping can be quite high.

[–] notagoblin@lemmy.world 6 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 14 hours ago) (1 children)

Frugal and recycled. Using a mix of old disks in OMV8 with a mergerfs array, suprisingly they amounted to 20TB, so saved a few bob.

If a disk fails in Mergerfs you loose the data on that disk only and not the array as you would with a pure jbod array.

There is a remove disk utility in the OMV8 mergerfs plugin that allows the data from a failing disk to be copied back to the array, if enough space is available, retaining the data from the failing disk. The disk can then be physically removed. If the array is short on space, add a disk to expand the array before removing the failing disk.

I've only ever used it with a failing disk, not a failed disk, I would guess that a backup would be required in that case.

The same applies to mergerfs outside of OMV8, this was easier for me.

[–] Onsotumenh@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 3 hours ago

I use snapraid for parity on top (OMV7). Works nicely with mergerfs. If a drive fails it can be easily rebuilt. You can use older smaller drives to do split parity (I got 3x 8TB as array and 2x 4TB for parity)

[–] SuspiciousCarrot78@aussie.zone 12 points 18 hours ago* (last edited 17 hours ago) (2 children)

Marty, we need to go back...to the future!

https://ebay.io/m/85Z5UG

(Mind you, those top out at 320GB per cartridge)

Kidding aside, for deep storage...?

LTO-8 is 12TB native per cartridge. A used LTO can be as little as $300 USD with a 12TB cart $65ish. Ancient LTO-3 can be had for like...$5....and stores upto 800GB per tape.

So...if it's deep storage you want....that's one insane option.

OTOH if you're looking for a Jellyfin streamer...they're tape, so random access would suck bad. You'd genuinely be better off optical media at that point lol

Though if we're time travelling... DVD shufflers (400+ DVDs) were a thing for a minute. You'd have to write bridge software because they're HDMI and com port only...hmm. Checking quickly, they seem to go for $100 USD....is this even possible....? You'd be limited to 1 stream at a time, but I can see a way to share that across multiple TVs with HDMI splitter...hmm...how do I carry RF remote signal from each room back to main unit...oh, I don't need to, could I make a web ui that controls the shuffler via a Pi to RS-232, that you access on your phone?...Shit...i could do this.

$300...I could do this. I could make a clock work Jellyfin server...

No, stop. This is a dangerous rabbit hole.

PS: shit - I just thought of two better options - and one of them is even semi sane (store video at 480-540p on DVD as mkv, use Nvidia shield to upscale on fly to 1080p). Back of envelope maths suggests this would be around 3000 movies.

I should not be online this late at night with easy access to credit card.

[–] Valmond@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 3 hours ago (1 children)

Some people just want to watch the world burn

[–] worhui@lemmy.world 2 points 8 hours ago (1 children)

Use a hdmi to ip adapter to stream to multiple locations on a local network. Learned about them when looking at security cameras.

Stop enabling my drug addiction :P

[–] drkt@scribe.disroot.org 45 points 1 day ago (11 children)

Everyone asks "where do we get more storage?" and not "do we need to hoard all of this?"

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

I think a big fuel for these storage anxieties is the very real situation we're in right now, where we're watching the "forever Internet" erode and crumble before our eyes, and getting rug-pulled from every direction service-wise, and losing access to media we don't have a hard copy of.

I do wish there were a better way to pool all this storage for a common library of preservation...I mean I guess Internet Archive is like that but they're constantly under attack. All this is under heaps of legal "gray area" and obviously the media titans want to force a rental-only-own-nothing world.

Right now we kinda have to become a scattered group of amateur historians and librarians, to preserve our culture.

[–] drkt@scribe.disroot.org 2 points 1 hour ago* (last edited 30 minutes ago) (1 children)

I don't say this to be mean so please don't take it this way, but I think this mentality is... privileged? If the free internet goes then so does society as we know it, and the obscure french film collections from the 80s isn't gonna do anything for you in that new reality. The things that need to be prepped are plain text and take up no space at all, in the grand scheme of things. It is feasible to self-host a text-only version of the entirety of Wikipedia, but nobody here is talking about that. It's as if people think there's gonna be some middle-ground where the internet is totally shut down and somehow life goes on as normal. You'd think priorities would shift a little away from media consumption towards "oh shit how do I learn how to filter my water".

It would sure suck if you were the only person on earth with that french film collection, but do any historians actually know how to reach you? Have you made this information available? If not, then your archive is not useful.

[–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 2 points 58 minutes ago

If the free internet goes then so does society as we know it, and the obscure french film collections from the 80s isn’t gonna do anything for you in that new reality. It’s as if people think there’s gonna be some middle-ground where the internet is totally shut down and somehow life goes on as normal. You’d think priorities would shift a little away from media consumption towards β€œoh shit how do I learn how to filter my water”.

This has been my thinking for the very longest while. If/When the internet goes 'somewhere', commerce screeches to a halt, globally. We're at a point where there is no going back to pen and paper. When commerce screeches to a halt, no one is going to be gunning for your NAS drive filled with movies. They will be gunning for whatever life sustaining resources you have to make theirs. You think people are crazy now.......we've yet to plumb the depths of crazy.

[–] Postmortal_Pop@lemmy.world 84 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] remon@ani.social 46 points 1 day ago

Because the answer to the second question is a very clear "yes".

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 13 points 21 hours ago (1 children)

With how the internet is going, I don't think we will be able to get content from it in 5 to 10 years. It will be completely locked down, so all we have on our drives will be it. Back to mailing DVDs!

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

Usenet will likely still be around, and torrents are like playing whack-a-mole.

[–] bridgeenjoyer@sh.itjust.works 2 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

It will just be a lot harder to get to, and likely harsher laws put in place as well.

I mean, not allowing vpns for personal use would stop us all. Businesses would of course be allowed to use them.

[–] MonkeMischief@lemmy.today 2 points 6 hours ago (1 children)

"I mean, not allowing vpns for personal use would stop us all."

Yes and no. We'd go back to sneakernets. :)

... But that would be significantly more unpleasantly limited than the current ways of doing things...

[–] Damage@feddit.it 1 points 2 hours ago

And sneakernets would make personal archives more valuable than ever

[–] wizardbeard@lemmy.dbzer0.com 19 points 23 hours ago (8 children)

Yes. If I want to organize and dedupe what I have then I need enough storage to work on it, a lot of my storage is spinning rust 7-15 years old, and if I have the space I'm going to use it. I have family photos and a music library going back to 2005. Too many things like old games need custom fixes installed to work correctly on modern hardware, and the internet isn't as permanent as it was cracked up to be.

There's plenty of reasons to hold on to older data.

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[–] soratoyuki@piefed.zip 5 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

People treat deleting like some dirty word, but all good collections need to be organized and pruned.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 1 points 1 hour ago

What you don't want to hold onto The Wrecking Crew for your descendants?

[–] fuckwit_mcbumcrumble@lemmy.dbzer0.com 5 points 19 hours ago (2 children)

You don’t even necessarily need to delete either. If you have a ton of H.264 video you could convert it to 265 or AV1 with minimal quality loss, but huge space savings.

[–] Damage@feddit.it 1 points 1 hour ago

If you torrent that means stopping seeding tho

[–] mic_check_one_two@lemmy.dbzer0.com 3 points 13 hours ago (1 children)

My only complaint is that lots of my streaming devices don’t natively support newer codecs. So if I convert everything to AV1, my server will end up transcoding basically everything. Smart TVs are particularly bad about supporting anything past h264.

I really want to go AV1 too. Most of what I play is airplayed from my ipad to whatever so I only need my iPad to support it. But I'm not buying an iPad air just to airplay AV1.

But H265 has been prevalent for about 10 years now so basically any smart TV made in the last 3 years should support it. And if yours don't then any el cheapo smart tv stick should.

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[–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 6 points 17 hours ago (1 children)

I still have some IOMEGA Zip drives. LOL Man, I remember when those seemed inexhaustible.

[–] SuspiciousCarrot78@aussie.zone 6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago) (1 children)

You know the fun part is you could just about use a 750 zip disk to steam video. Read speeds are about 7.5mb/s...enough for 1-2 simultaneous 480p Jellyfin streams.

Shit...everybody about RAID and here we are suggesting RAIT. No school like old school.

I still think the "DVD shuffler clockwork JF server with AI upscale" idea would be more fun to build tho, because as stupid as it sounds, the maths adds up. It would be gloriously cursed, but 3000+ hours of video is 3000 + hours of video.

[–] irmadlad@lemmy.world 5 points 13 hours ago

I used to have a DVD duplicator. Picked it up at an auction many, many years back then turned it for twice what I had in it. Something similar to this:

[–] ExcessShiv@lemmy.dbzer0.com 28 points 1 day ago* (last edited 23 hours ago) (4 children)

Frugally (legally) obtained HDDs are still going to cost you a lot of money, there is no way around that at the moment. If you need it, pay up and be done with it. If you just kind of want it, start sorting through your piles of data you don't actually need (yes, you have that, stop lying to yourself) to free up space for things you do actually need.

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In my country we have a website that resells "old" and used server hardware, including HDDs for reasonable prices. Although that has gone up a lot over the last year or so.

Maybe you have something like that in the Netherlands? I recently bought an 18TB drive for around €400.

Storage is just expensive these days. Just like RAM.

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