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It's worse than that:
Another dev allegedly stripped to the bone is id Software, which according to 3D Realms founder Scott Miller has lost “most, if not all” of its coders.
Man. This is heartbreaking. The Idtech engine is dead, the engine that is extremely optimized and much better that that UT engine junk is dead.
it's fucking unbelievable how these morons can gut dev studios when the product that came out of them is to the scale of Doom 2016, Eternal and Dark Ages. Ridiculous.
I hope they band together and start their own company.
Speaking of which, if you know a way for me to find games made by devs that were once part of larger studios that were gutted, I'm interested.
Apparently these devs are treated the same way as Mick Gordon
Not like they havent mismanaged the music projects...
Have the Eternal pre-orders received their OST yet?
Nope. IIRC they basically told us to fuck off
I have no idea about that
So according to discogs (market place for all sorts physical music), users are selling doom eternal casettes on it.
Lighting a bowl and playing Quake and Doom wads and mods only this weekend. Let's see 'em off right, lads.
https://www.slipseer.com/index.php?resources/quake-brutalist-jam-iii.549/
Well the one potential silver lining to firing an entire team at once like this is that hopefully they can turn around and start their own new gaming studio free from the corporate overlords. In which case we all win.
At least, until the leaders of that studio get greedy and sell out and repeat the shit cycle all over.
There isn’t any money out there, and a production team trying to run their own studio typically doesn’t work out. „Just go indie“ is not a realistic option. More than likely a handful of these people might be picked up (though likely will have to uproot their lives to do it) but the rest will leave the industry. It’s an incredibly destructive thing MS has done, because id folks often did a lot of knowledge sharing at conferences.
This is so infuriating.
I get gutting and selling studios that don't hold their own but seriously, id has been delivering banger after banger for 20 years now. Good luck trying to rely solely on fallout to stay afloat you asshats
They released Wolfenstein 3D in 1992 - 34 years ago. And pretty much everything they've released since has been great.
I'm going to go sit down now because my bones hurt thinking about that fact.
I'd argue since the beginning not just 20 years.
without id, gaming as we know it wouldn't exist today. FPS games, competitive shooters, hell even Valve itself likely wouldn't exist without id software. goes even beyond that. you could even go as deep as the modding community and all the games that have come from that. the majority of modders got their start with id games. Many rockstar game devs got their start at id or via an id product.
I agree. I was thinking of the "new" id of the zenimax era, but they are truly one of the GOAT studios.
that don’t hold their own
It never was like that. Studios that do badly are never gutted, not as far as I've seen from online reports.
I think the reason why studios are gutted after success is that it's almost guaranteed that the money will keep flowing even after they are fired, BECAUSE of the success.
If you make a game and it sucks the company can't afford to fire you because they don't have guaranteed cash flow regardless if you're there or not.
I loathe Microsoft.
Stupid fucking "we have money" mentality so the best way to make one look better is siphon up successful developers and expect gold.
Fucking Bethesda. If Starfield wasnt such a failure (amongst others) this might not have happened. Yet rather than cut where the issues are they decimate the studio that actually produces the great games.
It sold like 4.5M copies so I'm not sure it was a failure per se
In fairness - and I'm a massive id fanboy - the company that gave us quality games and trailblazing tech disappeared when they went to Zenimax.
The publishers admittedly treated them well at the start (Mick Gordon... less so), but this soulless bottom-line thinking was always going to hit them eventually.
Shame.
The arrogance with which Gordon was treated soured me on the whole franchise which is a shame because Doom 2016 is one of my all time favorites. No small part due to his soundtrack.
amen, Loved Doom/doom eternal, but completly skipping the dark age due to that.
I applaud your sense of honor, but Dark Ages is still an excellent game.
Standing on principle requires us to skip games that are good sometimes.
Boycotting serves no purpose if it's a product you weren't goimg to buy anyway.
oh, i was gonna buy it, got the first two on steam.
zenimax
This. Right there with you. Dead company walking.
Weren't they bought back in the early 2010s? Doom 2016 was great and Doom Eternal has also a great reputation (I own it but haven't played it). So they made good games even after being bought by ZeniMax.
Commander Keen sales down?
It feels like enshittification has come for the games industry in a big way lately.
It's come for everything. Everything from components used in factory lines to the ingredients bought by restaurants, it's all going to shit. The games industry happens to be both deeply consolidated and highly public in nature.
Why do we tolerate this as fans?
Do you have the money to buy out id software and pay all the payroll for its coders?
no, but I do have the money to not buy the dark ages and pirate it instead because of what they did to mick gordon, and now this.
and with that money, I will buy the game that mick gordon is currently working on. Or 50 of them. https://mick-gordon.com/
Oh shit, He did the music for Absolum! Great game. Banger soundtrack and now I know why.
It's always either this mf or Andrew Hulshult
you can simply choose not to buy their games…
Alright, I'm already doing that. What else?
Well there's different groups of folks. There's a group who aren't going to tolerate this and won't give them another cent, and another group who will look past it until it destroys their favourite series completely, and I guess another, enormous group who are entirely oblivious to any of the goings on behind the scenes and just buy game play game