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[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 93 points 10 months ago

The biggest thing that I can see that needs to be done would be shutting down "news" organizations like FOX News, OAN, and Newsmax. Also, breaking up online movements like Q where blatant misinformation is spread as if it's proven truth.

Now, HOW you do that without massive first amendment violations, I don't know. You would also need to be careful how it's structured because that could easily be used to shut down anyone left of center should a Republicans take the presidency/control Congress.

[-] JimmyBigSausage@lemm.ee 38 points 10 months ago

Gotta look at that right wing radio cabal also

[-] Jaysyn@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Since that is over actual airwaves, reinstating the Fairness Doctrine would fix that very fast.

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[-] snekerpimp@lemmy.world 33 points 10 months ago

Education and critical thinking skills. Which is why they want to defund public schools so all children can be indoctrinated in “Christian” private schools.

you do it with massive funding to public education for generations.

which is why massive first amendment violations are more likely

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

There's no need to shut them down:

"The fairness doctrine of the United States Federal Communications Commission (FCC), introduced in 1949, was a policy that required the holders of broadcast licenses both to present controversial issues of public importance and to do so in a manner that fairly reflected differing viewpoints. In 1987, the FCC abolished the fairness doctrine"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/FCC_fairness_doctrine

[-] TechyDad@lemmy.world 16 points 10 months ago

The problem, even if we reinstated this, is that this applied to broadcast only. This wouldn't apply to cable channels. Neither would it apply to Internet groups. Both of those would still be free to spout full blown lies and conspiracy theories dressed up as "news."

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

It would definitely need updating to include cable, things have changed a lot since 1987. As for the internet, I don't see how that could be enforced other than to classify sites as publishers and make them liable for the content they host.

[-] grue@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

The entire legal basis for it was the notion that the FCC was entitled to regulate the radio spectrum because it's a scarce resource. The FCC has no authority to regulate cable or the Internet.

[-] IchNichtenLichten@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

The FCC has no authority to regulate cable or the Internet.

"The Federal Communications Commission (FCC) is an independent agency of the United States government that regulates communications by radio, television, wire, satellite, and cable across the United States. The FCC maintains jurisdiction over the areas of broadband access, fair competition, radio frequency use, media responsibility, public safety, and homeland security."

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Federal_Communications_Commission

It's true that the FCC doesn't regulate internet content, that's why classifying sites as publishers would be useful. We would have the same legal tools that apply to newspapers.

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[-] vagrantprodigy@lemmy.whynotdrs.org 5 points 10 months ago

Shutting down Facebook would be huge. It's a cesspool of propaganda.

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[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 86 points 10 months ago

Stop mentioning Hillary. She’s old news. She’s as relevant to 2023 politics as hunter biden.

[-] khepri@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

No kidding, I don't know why she feels the need to insert herself in this year's politics with this super divisive "cult deprogramming" language/narrative. Not that a lot of folks don't need to step down from the rhetoric of violence and demagoguery that's a big part of MAGA, they absolutely, do... but seriously, Hillary, you are such an unnecessary bull in the china shop on this right now. Like her or hate her, I think it's a pretty objective statement that bringing the temperature down and bringing people together just isn't something her presence and choice of language in this debate is going to accomplish.

[-] RaoulDook@lemmy.world 18 points 10 months ago

She shares the blame for Trump being elected. She campaigned shittily and she was a shitty candidate. The DNC conspiracy to prop her up as the chosen nominee is also to blame.

Those elements combined with Obama hate from Trumptards and the Russian propaganda all over social media produced the result we got.

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[-] tsonfeir@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

Well, did she insert herself here or did someone do it for her for clickbait

[-] SlikPikker@lemmy.ca 5 points 10 months ago

She's arrogant. Simple as.

[-] Cryophilia@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

Probably because she's not planning on running so she can say what she really thinks without giving a fuck about whether it offends some people's delicate sensibilities?

[-] Astroturfed@lemmy.world 13 points 10 months ago

Came in here to say basically this. The fact that they used Hilary as the image for this articles headline killed any credibility instantly. She is not relevant and hasn't been since she lost. There is zero positives to bringing her up. Unless you want an example of exactly how not to run a presidential campaign.

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[-] oxjox@lemmy.ml 5 points 10 months ago

I saw the link was from Salon.com... as relevant to politics as TMZ is to climate change.

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[-] tacosanonymous@lemm.ee 37 points 10 months ago

I have a hard time taking this article seriously. I don’t understand why it feels the need to tout HC so fiercely. I guess she was right about "deplorables" but everyone else was correct in pegging her as an out of touch elite. The DNC's inability to back candidates that can help working class people continually emboldens right-wing extremists. It’s not hard to see how the Dems' center-right stances open the door for far-right reactions. Yes, they are deplorables but HC is not one of the good guys.

[-] YoBuckStopsHere@lemmy.world 39 points 10 months ago

Republicans are programmed due to their echo chambers. People who don't even follow the news have been shown to be more informed than Republicans who watch and listen to conservative media.

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[-] orclev@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

I don't understand why the DNC (as in the actual organization, not Democrat voters) is so god damn obsessed with Hillary. It feels like they would crown her queen if they could. Makes me wonder if she has some dirt on key people in their organization or something.

[-] BradleyUffner@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

I think it has something to do with Democrats still feeling "hurt" over the absurdity of the Clinton impeachment and other sham issues Republicans have with her, that they have some need to redeem her image. Letting her go feels like accepting a loss.

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[-] oxjox@lemmy.ml 3 points 10 months ago

I have a hard time taking this article seriously.

Not a surprise given it's from Salon. It's a shitrag. I haven't read this article but I've noticed a pattern based on other articles being posted around Lemmy. A third is rabble-rousing and pandering to the virtue signaling far left. Half is adjacent filler content. The rest is a valid meaningful point worthy of real discussion and has little to do with the headline.

Just noting the comment below about "Republicans are programmed due to their echo chambers"... Dude, if you believe that's a republican-only phenomenon, you have been programmed by the echo chamber you follow. I'd love a source for "people who don't follow the news have been shown to be more informed than republicans".
Speaking of "echo chambers", that full of shit comment is getting upvoted. You might find yourself currently inside the echo chamber.

As a liberal progressive, I'm worried that so many of us are falling prey to the tactics that have worked for conservative media for decades. I thought we were supposed to be more intelligent. It seems like tribalism really is all that matters - intellectualism be damned.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 6 points 10 months ago

I'd love a source for "people who don't follow the news have been shown to be more informed than republicans".

https://www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5

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[-] Dagwood222@lemm.ee 33 points 10 months ago

Back in the day, their grandparents happily filled public swimming pools with cement rather than accept allowing 'others' to have a good time.

[-] goferking0 11 points 10 months ago

Defunding and privatization of public schools also started for similar reasons

[-] Spacebar@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Let the Trump cult be. They are a minority of a minority.

Focus on fielding quality candidates that are not Hillary-Clinton-esk and Maga will fade away. Focus on getting out the vote. Focus on issues that resonate with the center right to center left.

It's not that hard of a concept, but it it doesn't sell ad clicks. It doesn't drive engagement either. So we get to wring our hands and are subject to Salon articles for the next 13 months instead.

[-] surewhynotlem@lemmy.world 28 points 10 months ago

I'm not saying that you're wrong. But I am saying that history doesn't agree with your approach.

If you're in an enclosed space with a crazy person who's flailing around with a knife, " leave them alone and let's focus on ourselves" isn't going to mitigate the damage.

[-] migo@lemmy.dbzer0.com 16 points 10 months ago

You cannot be tolerant to intolerance if you want a tolerant society.

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[-] dangblingus@lemmy.world 6 points 10 months ago

Obviously they need to Pokémon Go to therapy.

[-] Yewb@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

Trying to get to the root of the ideology is almost impossible.

Asking why they have those opinions is futile they have no opinions past the surface layer.

In fact bringing up contradictory facts is an attack, its crazy.

Everyone deserves a chance at redemption for us to heal as a country we have to leave the door open for them to cone back in... its going to be very difficult if they are choosing willful ignorance.

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