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The bodies were found Friday inside the Grand Haven residence, police said, and the children were 5 to 15 years old.

A man fatally shot his wife and their six children before he set the Michigan home they shared ablaze and turned the gun on himself, authorities said Monday.

Kristopher Karolkiewicz, 47, killed his wife, Amanda, 39, and their children, ages 5 to 15, Ottawa County Sheriff’s Capt. Jake Sparks said at a news conference.

They were found dead after first responders arrived at the home in Grand Haven, on the eastern shore of Lake Michigan, late Friday morning, Sparks said. Autopsies showed all had been shot, he said.

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[–] butsbutts@lemmy.ml 1 points 1 day ago

dang he went full yolo

Why can't these absolute cunts do themselves in before taking out their families?

[–] HejMedDig@feddit.dk 59 points 3 days ago (30 children)

I'll never understand a man's reasoning for doing that. How can one be an arbiter over the lives of your partner and kids...

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 69 points 3 days ago (4 children)

While Lemmy loves their memes and jokes about the government and the economy, this is what real world stress results in. I'm sure they will find a rich online life for this guy and recent financial trouble.

For every 1% increase in unemployment, 40,000 people die in a country with no social net. That's what a shit hole is.

[–] DarkFuture@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago

Yup.

If things keep going the way they are we're going to start seeing a lot more desperate people losing their shit in this country and a lot more headlines like this.

[–] ThatWeirdGuy1001@lemmy.world 15 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Ironically I just went through a deep dive about this guy reading multiple news sources and they all say he recently lost his job as a vp for the sales department of the American heart association.

So yeah. Dude was stressing and I get it but, fuck. So much unnecessary death just because people willingly vote against their own self interests.

[–] SaveTheTuaHawk@lemmy.ca 3 points 2 days ago

He lost his job, his family lost their healthcare, his kids lost their ability to attend college, at his age, he was on track to a minimum wage job.

[–] FishFace@piefed.social 14 points 3 days ago (2 children)

"reasoning" is not going to be the right word for whatever was going on in this guy's head.

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[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 8 points 3 days ago (1 children)

It's a disturbingly prevalent mindset really. The idea that the patriarch, the pater familias, literally owns the family. That his wife and children are possessions to do with as he pleases. In ancient Rome it was litteral. He could kill them if he wished. Not even unique to Rome. Its still around today. A sick aspect of conservative ideology that persists and infects society the world over.

Its the sickening undercurrent to conservative "parents rights" arguments.

[–] alsimoneau@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 days ago (1 children)

Is it that, or is it that he's the sole earner and losing his job means hardships for them he wants to spare them from?

Not saying it's not a fucked up thing to do, but maybe, just maybe, we need better support for mens mental health instead of assuming it's because their evil.

[–] Sharkticon@lemmy.zip 1 points 2 days ago (1 children)

I'm not entirely sure you meant to respond to me since none of your comment really seems to match up with mine. Particularly that second half.

However if you did mean to respond to me, I find your first sentence incredibly telling. Look how you worded that. He wants to spare them. He wants. You've betrayed the exact mindset I'm talking about. The idea that he owns them. That he gets to take make decisions on behalf of them because he owns them. That's exactly what I'm talking about. A pervasive mindset that family is property to the father. That children are property of their parents in general.

[–] captainlezbian@lemmy.world 3 points 1 day ago

Exactly, he may want to spare them that pain, but he obviously didn't talk it over with them to figure out what they'd prefer. He's decided they're all dying no matter what they want.

[–] Jakeroxs@sh.itjust.works 5 points 2 days ago

I remembering seeing something similar happen in my state, father had lost their job and murdered their whole immediate family to prevent them from becoming homeless.

Nuts, but there are a lot of homeless around here and it does not get easy to pull yourself or your family out of that.

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[–] yesman@lemmy.world 44 points 3 days ago (19 children)

This happens so much, their is a name for it "Family annihilation" or Familicide. It's almost always the patriarch who does this. Women do it too, Andrea Yates comes to mind, but that's much more rare.

I've always found it interesting that while men do familicide often, we forget about it. (Psychology Today puts the rate at 1 every 5 days in the US) Meanwhile women who do the crime like Yates or Smith become notorious for decades. Admit it, you've forgotten the name Kristopher Karolkiewicz from the article you just read, but you remember Susan Smith from 30 years ago.

[–] mrgoosmoos@lemmy.ca 2 points 1 day ago

I don't remember like any names of stuff like this, but it seems like the general understanding among all the people I've ever discussed these topics with is that it's primarily men who do this shit.

just chiming in to say anecdotally that maybe people have a better understanding of things now

what always surprises me, though, is the rates. the US is big, but 1 every 5 days still seems so fucked up to me

[–] moustachio@lemmy.world 68 points 3 days ago (1 children)

I don’t remember any of their names, even the ones you wrote.

[–] Bbbbbbbbbbb@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago

No shot in hell Im going to remember Kris.........long 12Ks littered in his name guy, but I can sure consider susan smith i guess, wont remember why i remember susan smith though.

[–] IAmYouButYouDontKnowYet@reddthat.com 45 points 3 days ago (1 children)

Nah, I don't remember any of them.

[–] prole@lemmy.blahaj.zone 3 points 2 days ago

I remember Chris Benoit

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[–] RememberTheApollo_@lemmy.world 34 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Was she going to divorce him or something? These pieces of shit always lose their minds over women leaving.

[–] DanceMomsSavedMe@lemmy.zip 16 points 3 days ago (2 children)

Its usually caused by either that or money. Says she was a substitute teacher.

I bet it was money related.

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[–] ramble81@lemmy.zip 24 points 3 days ago

Why are the killings always in the wrong order…

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