Could you imagine Biden just ending our cold war with China tomorrow? It would actually be incredibly easy. (hexbear.net)

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Biden just gives a press conference like, “We would like to thank our comrade President Xi for showing us that there are viable alternatives to liberal democracy, and more efficacious paradigms of development than the neoliberal model we’ve been pushing. We would like to congratulate President Xi on ending abject poverty in China, and for his innovative, forward-looking Belt-And-Road Initiative; we would like to join in helping to develop the over-exploited ex-colonial states we damaged through centuries of merciless pillage and racist imperialist programs. Let’s all join forces and start working to mitigate the harm we’ve done in the past, and start building inroads to a sustainable and just future.”

That's literally all it would take. And it would be objectively the right thing to do. And yet the world is in such a state of imposed misery that this seems like the most far-fetched reality I can possibly imagine. It's sad.

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[-] VILenin@hexbear.net 15 points 11 months ago

The CIA would activate his heart attack chip

[+] context@hexbear.net 10 points 11 months ago

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[-] fuckiforgotmypasswor@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

of course, yes, this would just be rhetoric in isolation, to start turning us away from decades-long policies to the contrary; saying so obviously wouldn't make it so, and of course it would never happen for precisely the reasons you described, but I think to say an international superpower can't take a sharp left turn kind of flies in the face of history. obviously, just look at what the Bolsheviks accomplished. Stalin didn't particularly care what the bourgeois class interests were, they were powerless to stop him because he had the military and the proletariat behind him, and theoretically nothing stops Biden from having some kind of aneurism that makes him abandon neoliberal statecraft in favor of anti-imperial legislation. yes, the institutions and his own underwriters would be doing literally everything they could to stop him, but he's still in a position imbued with enormous authority. it isn't impossible.

it just would never happen

[-] GriffithDidNothingWrong@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

You're in great man territory there, comrade. The US isn't a neoliberal hellscape because no sufficiently visionary leader has stepped forward to change that, its because the material conditions there make neoliberal hellscapery unavoidable. Things are steadily worsening and that could lead to a growing class consciousness but the empire would have to sufficiently weaken enough that the treats cut off before that would happen.

If Biden did what you suggest he would have an unfortunate stroke that night and Kamala would give a saddened speech about his sudden cognitive decline before getting destroyed in the next election and things would go back to business as usual.

Stalin was able to ignore the bourgeoisie because he had the people behind him. The people didn't support him because he gave great speeches, he just voiced the feelings they already had

[-] fuckiforgotmypasswor@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

your counter critique is just end of history shit, but yes, everyone seems to be reading way too much into this throwaway post

[-] GriffithDidNothingWrong@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago

Your statement reads like idealism. People, myself included, are countering with dialectical materialism because we're Marxist. I'm not sure what you expected

[-] fuckiforgotmypasswor@hexbear.net 1 points 10 months ago

countering with "you should do a dialectical materialism" because you're in a terminally online leftist space that can't distinguish a call to action or political prediction from a throwaway comment that is idealistic by its nature is what i'm bemoaning; it's erroneous, annoying, masterbatory, and a symptom of everyone feeling like they can't be allowed to look like a lib. anyway, thank you for explaining hexbear is marxist and that i did not do a dialectical materialism, that wasn't really the point of the post and that's the last either of us probably needs to say about it

[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Stalin didn't particularly care what the bourgeois class interests were, they were powerless to stop him because he had the military and the proletariat behind him

Because him and the Red Army took over the entire country by force from the Royals and Kings

Biden is not, and can never be Stalin. Biden and all US presidents elected under a liberal democracy has been and will forever be the King with the rest of the government and capitalists being Royals

[-] fuckiforgotmypasswor@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

this whole thread is a good example of people deliberately missing the point of the post to do some mastabutory ideology, which is fine, but kind of annoying

[-] GaveUp@hexbear.net 5 points 11 months ago

Not sure how to approach this but I would suggest learning how to apply dialectical materialism

This would never work out this way unfortunately

[-] fuckiforgotmypasswor@hexbear.net 1 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

I would suggest learning how to apply dialectical materialism

lol

[-] Finger@hexbear.net 3 points 11 months ago

no more half measures walter

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