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Former democratic party activists are organizing Muslims and Arab-Americans in Swing states to vote against Biden with the demand that he support a ceasefire in Gaza.

I'll allow them a little bit of electoralism this time.

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[–] star_wraith@hexbear.net 122 points 1 year ago (12 children)

Good article. It’s not the main point but I liked this section:

The lie that Obama is Muslim was always code for ​“He’s Black.” But in 2008 liberals couldn’t say that they wouldn’t vote for someone who is Black. Post-racial anti-Blackness had to be more subtle. After seven years of the War on Terror, it was widely accepted that Muslims are subhuman and our lives disposable. So it was easy for people to simply say that they wouldn’t vote for someone who is Muslim.

It never occurred to me - though it’s obvious to me now - that all the accusations of Obama being a Muslim were really just the way white folks were able to launder their unwillingness to accept a black man as president. That’s why they doggedly held on to that belief despite how it was so obviously not true.

[–] barrbaric@hexbear.net 63 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Eh, the people who kept bringing up that he was a muslim, born in kenya, etc were always hardcore chuds who had no problem being abhorrently racist.

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His middle name is hussian.

That's why they think his Muslim

You would think the cia would of gave him a different middle name at birth 🤷

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[–] P1d40n3@hexbear.net 107 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sorry sweatie, but Trump would commit even more genocide! Vote for diet genocide, Biden 2024!

[–] the_kid@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago (2 children)

Sam Seder once said if he had a choice between a guy who wanted to open 1 concentration camp vs a guy who wanted 5 concentration camps, he'd vote for the 1 concentration camp guy

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 45 points 1 year ago

Liberals do seem to regularly confuse moral depravity with practicalism

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 42 points 1 year ago

I remember that. It was pretty dumb.

The question was put to him like that by Tim Pool though, and Pool's take on it was obviously a million times dumber

[–] SpiderFarmer@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago (3 children)

Trump would definitely double down on the "decapitating babies" story. Biden just forgot it entirely.

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[–] sloth@hexbear.net 97 points 1 year ago (8 children)

"When you vote for the lesser of two evils what happens? You always get evil, and you always get less" - who knows but I heard it somewhere

[–] mkultrawide@hexbear.net 92 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (5 children)

Genocide Joe vs Trump is a debate over whether to drive off a cliff while following the speed limit or at 120 MPH.

[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 46 points 1 year ago

michael-laugh perfect analogy

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[–] WithoutFurtherRelay@hexbear.net 77 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Because we always vote for the lesser of two evils, we now have a system where candidates can be as evil as they want as long as the other candidate is more evil. There is no incentive to be anything except slightly less ghoulish than the other person. And even then, they can usually get away with being more ghoulish than the other person if it fits well enough into the current bigoted zeitgeist.

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[–] carpoftruth@hexbear.net 78 points 1 year ago

Ayoub also posted: ​“This onslaught on Gaza teaches us one VITAL lesson as Arabs and Muslims. The whole ​‘seat at the table’ strategy is a FAILURE. Being token parts of the Democratic Party, ​‘the inside game,’ can’t even deliver a Ceasefire on Gaza. It can’t even slow a Genocide of Palestinians enabled by Biden, Kamala Harris, and the ​‘Diversity & Inclusion’ Democrats who throw Arab and Muslims under the same table they strove to sit at.”

[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 77 points 1 year ago

where do you come from?
where do you go?
I'll never vote for Genocide Joe

[–] StalinForTime@hexbear.net 74 points 1 year ago (22 children)

The lesser evil argument for Biden is very weird to me because as a non-American it doesn't materially seem better than Trump. Objectively it's been equally bad if not worse, and while not all of that is due to particular features of Trump or the Dems, a think a decent amount is due to how viciously hawkish and shamelessly imperialist the Biden regime has been, from Ukraine to Israel and a lot more in between. Like on the international level I'd argue that Biden has been demonstrably more destructive.

The most convincing 'lesser-evil' argument seems to me to basically be that a Trump presidency would be worse for minorities, for immigrants, non-white people, and LGBT people. Now I agree that they would be more likely to introduce federal-level legislation if they could, but I also haven't seen any real effort by the Biden gov to combat transphobic legislation by fascistic Republicans at the state or local level, or to do anything real for them for that matter. Again LGBT folks and racial minorities are a woke virtue-signalling marketing asset to be invested in for the Dems, as they base their electoral campaigns now no longer on class points, no longer appealing to working class interests (whereas the Republicans have positioned themselves as doing so), but instead appealing to those with college educations. I have comrades who argue that Trump would crack down harder on the left and make it more difficult to organize, but I'm not completely convinced by this. It's not become easier under Biden.

In any event, I don't know how people can make a non-nationalist lesser-evil argument once you've seen Biden literally go on stage with Bibi and give unconditional support to apartheid, settler-colonialism and ethinic cleansing.

[–] Adkml@hexbear.net 58 points 1 year ago (6 children)

Legitimately think it's worse under Biden.

Stopped labor strikes, stopped covid relief (motherfucker still owes me $600), student debt relief is gone, roe is gone, anti Trans laws are way worse, inflation is slowing down but everything's still twice what it cost 2 years ago.

Literally the only difference is when there's a republican president republicans don't do as much to actively pass speople off and dems pretend to care about progressive issues.

When there's a dem president liberals just tell minorities and poor people ro stop complaining because it's making them look bad and republicans do shit to whip up their base that democrats are completely unwilling to oppose.

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[–] BynarsAreOk@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (6 children)

Democrats were never the lesser evil, I'm also not American but it doesn't even take more than a simple look to understand this

Bush 1 Iraq war

Clinton Yugoslavia

Bush 2 Iraq-Afghanistan

Obama- More Afghanistan, drone campaign, Syria etc

Trump - Syria, almost Iran, China

Biden - Russia, Palestine

If you want to add Bernie - anti-Cuban statements, pro-Israel statements, pro-Ukraine statements etc. Fucking loser is just another FP ghoul too.

Meanwhile economically and socially the US continues to deteriorate since the beginning of the current neoliberal era(late 80s-90s) as you noticed and maybe Bernie gets a honorable mention for being just a bump on the steep downhill road, nothing more.

Heck we noticed and commented some time now since the beginning of the Ukraine war that current FP is in some ways even more deranged than even what Kissinger would do. Indeed some would even say current policy makes Kissinger look competent in comparison. That's how bad it is. And to be honest some argument does mention that Kissinger was from an era where the US actualy somewhat respected their peer adversaries, these days its all end of history BS.

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[–] BodyBySisyphus@hexbear.net 69 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (2 children)

The only problem here is that democrats don't care if they lose - it just means going back to being in the opposition and fleecing the ~~rubes~~ ~~true believers~~ Democratic voting base by sending increasingly apocalyptic emails about whatever shit would've been happening anyway regardless of who's in charge. I'd be willing to bet money that if the voting base got whittled down to one guy in Toledo named Dave the whole system would continue to lurch on and we'd get breathless news about how the latest mass casualty shooting was influencing the Daveometer. Voter participation is just window dressing at this point.

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[–] stigsbandit34z@hexbear.net 67 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (7 children)

I can tell ya that my DSA chapter says voting for Biden is a vote for democracyagony-shivering

[–] Harajukum@hexbear.net 52 points 1 year ago (3 children)

democracy is euphemism for something else at this point

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[–] Chapo_is_Red@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (4 children)

Mine is discussing only voting for candidates who publicly and unequivocally support ceasefire and ending military support for Israel, down to local officials.

My area has a large Arab & Muslim population though. Local Muslim organizers have been very clear on this stance already. At one rally, an iman said there was only one elected worth voting for in the whole county

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[–] BurgerPunk@hexbear.net 44 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) (1 children)

a vote for democracy

The democracy: brump

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[–] ShimmeringKoi@hexbear.net 57 points 1 year ago (4 children)

Is it new comrade season again already?

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[–] emizeko@hexbear.net 51 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Why I Won't Vote by W. E. B. DuBois, The Nation, 20 October 1956

[–] goldfish@hexbear.net 50 points 1 year ago

I was already done with Biden because of his support for the RESTRICT act, but with recent events that seems kinda mundane now, can't believe how big a hole he's dug for himself

[–] Frogmanfromlake@hexbear.net 49 points 1 year ago (6 children)

B-BUT PROJECT 2025. THE REPUBLICANS ARE GOING TO ERADICATE 95% OF THE US POPULATION AND PUSH THE HANDMAIDENS TALE BUTTON. I'VE WATCHED OVER 2600 HOURS OF THIS ON YOUTUBE BY THE MOST ACADEMICALLY RIGOROUS BREADTUBERS SO I KNOW EXACTLY WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT.

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