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Covid, WFH, Musk, The fall of Twitter, Netflix plateau, Reddit Blackout, Crippling interest rates, Trump, Decentralisation, Tech Antitrust, Ukraine

Adding in Edit: AI, Climate Crisis, Nazis, Fascism, Democratic backsliding, automation, mass unemployment, rising homelessness, wild fires

How are you feeling these days?

We sure do live in interesting times

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[–] rowinofwin@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

It think we have cycles because people remember things that happen in their lifetime but fail to adequately instil that knowledge in the next and subsequent generations. The wealth inequality of the 1920s was the catylist for much of the economic turmoil of the great depression and laid some of the context for the New Deal era. The strong rules for antitrust and managing monopolies were put in place to prevent a repeat and while the generations who lived through the great depression were dominant they survived. As those older generations died out and as the following generations grew in influence those protections were weakened and eventually mostly dismantled, resulting in massive changes from the 70s onwards. Those protections were eroded and wealth and income inequality grew until we reached and surpassed the levels of the 1920s.

I think the same happens for other things like the idea that Nazis are bad or must be resisted, or that religious ideologies should ve kept seperate from the government, or healthcare is something we can help each other to gain, or that workers can have power by working together. What I find hopeful is hearing discussion of all of these ideas in fairly accessible places and people do seem to be studying history in order to avoid repeating it.

[–] Captain_Pieces@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago

Like there's an impending economic shift coming due and the powers that be are doing everything they can to try and prevent it. Unfortunately for them this is inevitable.

[–] TerryTPlatypus@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

At this point we should have a "We Didn't Start The Fire" parody for all the nonsense that's happend over the last 3 years. Feels loke the Roaring 20s, but just more cbaotic and socially conscious.

All I'm trying to do is just find myself and enjoy life, and I'm a little anxious to see where we end up. Hopefully it's somewhere where we come out better as a society.

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[–] Plume@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

We could indeed be on the brink of something. The conditions are there but for what? Will we end capitalism, make a new system and try for a better world? Or will we fall into fascism once more?

Even if it's finally the day we move on from this system that keeps threatening to collapse on itself every 6 months... it's gonna get a whole lot worse before it gets better...

[–] livejamie@lemm.ee 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I saw the title and thought it was going to be exciting/positive haha

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[–] TheTrueLinuxDev@beehaw.org 1 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

Notice how 90% of that are rich people causing or amplifying those situations to happen?

COVID - Trump sabotage any effort made to prevent the spread and we lost 1 million people due to that.

Climate Crisis - Oil Giants/Automobile industry sabotage the public transportation which would have a long term ramification to reduce oil consumption overall.

Nazis/Fascism - Rich People fund/outright purchase mass media to create chaos in public perspectives and polarize the political parties. Koch Brothers are funding far right politic and pushing hard for nazism. And of course, don't forget about Sinclair broadcast.

Ukraine - Putin and the Oligarch

I could go on. Almost all of the problems begin and end with the rich people. #EatTheRich

[–] circuitfarmer 2 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (1 children)

I have been trying to mention this trend to people as much as possible when they bring up issue X. A divided populace is easier to control, and here we are with various "culture war" topics constantly on the news, more and more fear mongering etc etc. But for every divisive cultural issue, there's a group of rich people who stand to gain, in one way or another, from the division itself and the fact that it keeps us (the poor-er majority) from solving real problems.

The fact is, if we fix the wealth inequality problem we fix a lot of others, and we would also be able to focus our collective energy appropriately at the others which may not naturally fall away.

That's not to say we shouldn't focus on everything -- but our best bet for a livable future is to start eating the rich now.

Edit: a word

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[–] marin@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)

It’s scary how greed has made the world so hostile. It’s hard to stay ignorant about these issues because it’s just one search away on a phone. Yet, people still choose ignorance. I feel a little lost and hopeless sometimes even though I try to do my part. Finding a safe space online seems crucial for my mental wellbeing. Glad I can be here

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[–] bored_pistachio@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Don't blame people for choosing to be ignorat. Empathy fatigue does not make you a bad person. We didn't envolve to process so much shit.
I try to focus on my local irl more. There I have some influence.

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[–] Nonameuser678@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (5 children)

I guess we're transitioning from the fuck around to the find out stage

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[–] lackthought 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

just try to keep my head down and focus on what I can realistically influence

[–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

It’s the only way to stay sane tbh.

I’ll often do a “digital detox” and remove myself from all events for a while. Unfortunately that’s not a privilege many are afforded

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[–] Silviecat44@vlemmy.net 0 points 2 years ago (6 children)

The development of AI as well.

[–] Denaton@programming.dev 0 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

My opinion on the AI (ML) is that is lift up all the bad things, most people are focusing on what it have given the general public with the most common dataset and forget about the more specialized dataset. For example, they have an AI that can do brainscans in MRI and convert it to video, aka we can scan coma patients brains and see what they are thinking while in coma, record dreams and other cool stuff.

[–] shanghaibebop@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

This is the biggest worry in my head.

We will absolutely not be able to continue with our way of life. Significant portions of society will NOT be able to contribute “value” (the the capitalistic sense) to society.

What happens then? A bunch of young, lonely, disenfranchised people? Just bread and circuses with AI proliferated entertainment to keep the masses placated?

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[–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

How on earth did I forget that one!

Also automation more generally

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[–] lunarshot@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

It really does sound like a new version of We Didn’t Start the Fire.

[–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

We didn't start the fires, it was Shell and Exxon, BP and Mobil

[–] Buritominer2@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

The times we live in are riddled with problems but I have to continue on with my life regardless.

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[–] BreadDog@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

To be honest, 2023 has feel relatively calmer than the past few, I guess covid being that all encompassing to life. Of the things on your list I do think AI is probably the first thing that comes to mind when I think of what we are "on the brink of". This leap that happened the past couple years in LLM was shocking enough, wondering what the next couple are going to look like.

[–] Stumblinbear@pawb.social 0 points 2 years ago (2 children)

To be perfectly fair, the world has always been screwed up in a hundred different ways at any given time. It's just more immediately visible to every single person these days

[–] bear_delune@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

True, at least now more people are taking notice. But those working against the populous are more brazen than ever too

[–] beerd@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

I think the main difference is that now we have the technological power to fuck things up irreversibly (hope we still have chance against climate change, but im not sure a mass extinction could be prevented and not just moderated at this point)

[–] teddy@lemmy.cornspace.space 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Canadian wild fires as well.

[–] anxietysloth@beehaw.org 0 points 2 years ago

The fires are the worst for me. When the world feels bad I just want to escape outside...so when it's smoky I just feel really trapped.

[–] Khorgor666@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)
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[–] Panthios@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

(Verse 1)
Covid pandemic, life's tragic,
Work From Home, no more traffic,
Elon Musk in the space race,
Twitter falling from its grace.

Netflix plateau, lost its glow,
Reddit blackout, a serious blow,
Interest rates, an upward hike,
Donald Trump, another strike.

(Chorus)
We didn't start the fire,
It was always burning, since the world's been turning,
We didn't start the fire,
No, we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it.

(Verse 2)
Decentralisation, global reformation,
Tech Antitrust, digital conflagration,
Ukraine crisis, world’s at bay,
In this whirlwind, we lose our way.

Artificial Intelligence, the next experience,
Climate crisis, deadly seriousness,
Nazis, Fascism, old fears return,
Democratic backsliding, when will we learn?

(Chorus)
We didn't start the fire,
It was always burning, since the world's been turning,
We didn't start the fire,
No, we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it.

(Verse 3)
Automation, job annihilation,
Mass unemployment, rising desperation,
Homelessness in the city streets,
Wildfires burning, the heat repeats.

(Chorus)
We didn't start the fire,
It was always burning, since the world's been turning,
We didn't start the fire,
No, we didn't light it, but we tried to fight it.

(Bridge)
From the pandemic to the space frontier,
Through the crises that we all fear,
From the ashes, we'll still rise,
In our hearts, the human spirit never dies.

(Chorus)
We didn't start the fire,
It was always burning, since the world's been turning,
We didn't start the fire,
But when we are gone, will it still burn on, and on, and on, and on...

(Outro)
We didn't start the fire,
But we hold the power, in this defining hour,
We can tame this fire,
Though we didn't light it, we have the strength to fight it.

[–] mookman288@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

Considering the COVID pandemic is still mass infecting people (with somewhere around 1/10 people getting Long-COVID, and some percentage of those people being disabled long-term) and now it's leading to weakened immune systems and fungal infections, my guess is another mass health-disruption event is what we're on the brink of.

Or maybe mass homelessness and poverty. Does anyone remember that two-parter from Deep Space Nine where they go back in time with ghettos in San Francisco? Past Tense. It was set in 2024.

[–] CarbonOtter@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I'm fine. Covid isnt causing chaos anymore, WFH is optional (thankfully, i don't like it), I don't really care about Twitter or Netflix, reddit is a shame but there are alternatives, my mortgage rate is fixed at 1.8% for 30 years, Trump is on the other side of the ocean...

Most of the sh*t going on the in the world doesn't have very big impact on my life. Some do, but when I can't influence it (on my own) I try to not let it affect my mood.

[–] Steeve@lemmy.ca 0 points 2 years ago (1 children)

30 years fixed at 1.8%?! Damn you you lucky bastard, that was never even at option over here lol

[–] CarbonOtter@lemmy.one 0 points 2 years ago

Rates were ridiculously low in 2020. 10 years would have been 1.3%. The mortgage rules and requirements are quite strict, so banks can keep the rates low.

[–] KiofKi@feddit.de 0 points 2 years ago

It feels like that time at a party where everything escelates. But not in a good way, more like something resulting in the worst hangover of humanity. Being over 30 I dread this hangover.

[–] dragfyre@kbin.social 0 points 2 years ago

OP sounds like an R.E.M. song

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