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[–] ladicius@lemmy.world 60 points 2 years ago

Russian warship didn't fuck itself so it got helped.

[–] RedditWanderer@lemmy.world 58 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (2 children)
[–] stella@lemm.ee 7 points 2 years ago

Burns twice as bright for half as long.

[–] awnery@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

it remains a solid standby for responding to scammers or any old jerkface

[–] uphillbothways@kbin.social 54 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Looking forward to the day Putin gets done like these warships he's been losing, and hopefully by the Russian people. Fucking scumbag war criminal.

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 19 points 2 years ago (1 children)

People are too afraid of Disappearing to stand up to him. Self preservation unfortunately looks at short term over long term.

You know what they say, what's good for your survival isn't good for your health.

[–] uphillbothways@kbin.social 8 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

It's unfortunate, but understandable. Fear of death is a powerful motivator. That's why tyrants resort to it so frequently.

More and more news makes it sound like Russian conscripts get better treatment in Ukraine's POW camps than they do in the Russian military. Hopefully, more and more of them can find ways to lay down arms and exit the conflict to safety.

[–] cabron_offsets@lemmy.world 28 points 2 years ago

Fuck russia.

[–] HamsterRage@lemmy.ca 26 points 2 years ago (4 children)

I'm not sure a corvette has ever counted as "major" warship.

[–] Gerula@lemmy.world 48 points 2 years ago

I think in the context of the Black Sea fleet it's considered major. They cannot replace them so every ship counts especially missile carrying ones.

[–] rambaroo@lemmy.world 27 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] funkless_eck@sh.itjust.works 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

this sent me down a hole comparing the two. looks like in terms of relative armaments, the Rocinante isn't that different to modern day.

[–] awnery@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

what about all the redefining the entire ship as something new by spoofing a transponder code that should be unspoofable.. eh that sounds normal these days

[–] crashoverride@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Russia basically has nothing for a navy anymore, any ship is going to be a major loss

[–] brianorca@lemmy.world 9 points 2 years ago

They have a navy, but most of it is outside the Black Sea, and Turkey is not going to let it in.

[–] frezik@midwest.social 4 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago)

You're right, it's not, but it's what the Russians have. Keep in mind that the Black Sea is basically an oversized brackish lake, but is really important to the Russians because it has warm water ports. Russians love warm water ports. They also can get things into the Mediterranean from there, but they're bottle necked at either Gibraltar or Suez for getting out into the world's oceans.

Just looking at what they have in the Black Sea, they have no ships over 10k tons displacement since the Moskva sank. There's 5 ships around 5k tons, then 12 missile corvettes of 500 to 800 tons (one of which is the Askold mentioned in OP, and it was at the higher end of that range). The rest of the combat ships are things like submarines, landing craft, anti-submarine patrol, and a few others that aren't really relevant against Ukraine.

Considering what's left there, this is big, if not major. It was the biggest of their missile boats, and limits how many cruise missiles Russia can lob into Ukraine on any given day.

[–] Restaldt@lemm.ee 26 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] Destraight@lemm.ee 6 points 2 years ago

Navy seal killer team 6

[–] sheogorath@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

They should've trained orcas instead of dolphins.

[–] Pretzilla@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Orcas are part of the dolphin family

[–] HawlSera@lemm.ee 23 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 45 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Are they lost? Yes

Have they lost? Unfortunately no, they're going to throw death and suffering at this conflict they started until they get what they want or they (somehow) run out of bodies to throw.

[–] Squizzy@lemmy.world 18 points 2 years ago (30 children)

They have strengthened their ability to pull from prisons too which opens up hundreds of thousands of more bodies for the front lines.

The west needs to double down and double down again in support of Ukraine.

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[–] Murais@lemmy.one 15 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Imagine Vietnam-era US, but it was willing to sacrifice every warm body within its borders to win.

Like the US, I think Russia is on a collision course with failure. But they're going to take it a lot farther before waving a white flag. So much so that it will take the country decades to recover.

And Ukraine won't be looking too hot at that point anymore, either.

[–] phoenixz@lemmy.ca 11 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Yeah that "every warm body" doesn't work and will be Russian undoing.

You see, in the real world you have a very limited amount of "warm bodies" to throw to begin with. Realistically speaking, only males between, say, 15 and 45, and a few women who are more fit than average. Anything else gets useless very quickly.

Unfortunately this is also the group that forms a large part of your work force. Yes, you'll have women left, but realistically you don't see women picking up garbage at night.

Russia already has a huge gap in employable people because of the bodies they threw, and the bodies that decided to bugger off and flee before the draft got to them. especially those that fled were the more intelligent ones, the (future) scientists and engineers that you need to grow your country.

Russia is FUBAR for the next 5 decades thanks to Putin

[–] Murais@lemmy.one 1 points 2 years ago

Yep. The Romans fucked themselves sideways doing this a few times. You can have all the soldiers or you can have some farmers and skilled laborers. You can't have both.

[–] ghostdoggtv@lemmy.world 17 points 2 years ago

Heroiyam slava

[–] chalupapocalypse@lemmy.world 11 points 2 years ago

That's not gonna buff out

[–] saltnotsugar@lemm.ee 8 points 2 years ago

(Sad trombone sound)

[–] fluke@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago

Awww how sad.

[–] mrmule@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)
[–] Gormadt@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] tacosplease@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Jeremy Clarkson saying oh no

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