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Surveillance footage shows Hamas bringing hostages into Shifa Hospital on Oct. 7 (www.timesofisrael.com)

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The Israel Defense Forces releases surveillance camera footage from Shifa Hospital showing Hamas terrorists bringing a Nepali and Thai citizen who were abducted from Israel on October 7 to the medical center.

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[-] Doorbook@lemmy.world 103 points 9 months ago

Again people lose sight of the fact that regardless of hamas actions, that doesn't justify the killing of thousands of kids and families that are taking shelter in the hospital.

If anything, the medical staff and families are also hostages and they shouldn't be killed either.

People kept arguing about the tunnel and the hospital ignoring the genocidal killing of Palestinians.

Tunnels or Hamas using the biggest and maybe only hospital Doesn't justify the bombing of the hospital while people still getting treated from other bombing..

[-] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 50 points 9 months ago

Let’s be accurate here. Thousands have died in Gaza as a result of this conflict, but Israel clearly did not kill thousands at Shifa Hospital.

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[-] Bye@lemmy.world 91 points 9 months ago

Can we yet dispense with the fiction that hamas is fighting some just war?

Hiding behind civilians and intentionally using their deaths as propaganda is terrible.

Also, free palestine, fuck hamas, fuck likud, fuck Iran, and fuck Russia.

[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 16 points 9 months ago

I don't think anyone is saying the war is just but rather relatable. If someone occupied my country, killed my family and took my family land I can't say I'd react any different.

[-] floofloof@lemmy.ca 10 points 9 months ago

You'd sneak into their villages and go door to door killing thousands of innocent people in their homes? And do the same to young people at a music festival?

I think we can all relate to resistance, but this is something else.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 9 points 9 months ago

The protagonists in the Old Testament do exactly that more than once with less provocation, and millions of people still consider them the good guys. Israel's PM in particular has specifically cited one of them as a model to emulate. Look up his comment about Amalek.

So yes, a lot of people would do that, and the people in charge of this massacre in particular would definitely do that given a chance. Or, you know, you can look at the fact that they basically are doing that right now, just with bombs rather than small arms.

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[-] mlg@lemmy.world 46 points 9 months ago

So a whopping 2 hostages on the day of the attack, of which one was critically injured, which was more than a month ago.

Definitely Hamas HQ confirmed. Was worth all that civilian collateral to capture.

At least they finally got some footage so we don't have to rely on some crappy IDF PS1 graphics renders.

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[-] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 42 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

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[-] Dalraz@lemmy.ca 19 points 9 months ago

This needs to be a bot, this is great context around the media outlets.

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[-] athos77@kbin.social 20 points 9 months ago

One of the hostages is visibly wounded in his arm and is brought on a hospital bed, while the second is forcefully dragged into the hospital. “These findings prove that the Hamas terror organization used Shifa Hospital on the day of the massacre itself as terror infrastructure,” the IDF says.

TIL bringing a wounded civilian in for treatment makes the treating hospital "terror infrastructure".

[-] kick_out_the_jams@kbin.social 21 points 9 months ago* (last edited 9 months ago)

Further images released by the IDF from the surveillance cameras at Shifa show Hamas terrorists inside the hospital, and outside the rooms of the hostages, as well as stolen IDF vehicles brought to the medical center.

It wasn't a wounded person that was the problem.

[-] jonne@infosec.pub 16 points 9 months ago

In an evening press conference, IDF Spokesman Rear Adm. Daniel Hagari says the two wounded hostages were later taken by Hamas to hideouts, and that the Red Cross was unable to visit them. He says their locations are currently unknown.

You're going to just disagree with the IDF spokesman here?

[-] athos77@kbin.social 13 points 9 months ago

Okay, let's say you're a cop and you have an injured prisoner but no car. You grab a vehicle off the street and bring the guy to the nearest hospital. You don't want your prisoner to escape, so you stand guard outside the room while he's getting treated, then take him into custody.

You see the problem here? In one viewpoint, it's a soldier responsibly getting treatment for a prisoner; in another viewpoint, the entire hospital complex had enemy soldiers in it at some time and therefore deserves to be razed to the ground.

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[-] steventhedev@lemmy.world 14 points 9 months ago

If they're releasing surveillance footage, expect more to come out. They have already announced that Noa Marciano was executed inside the hospital - most likely on camera.

Also note that they are sharing much more with the US and EU than they are making public. It will likely include surveillance footage tagged with facial recognition of every senior Hamas member who walked through the hospital.

[-] Yawnder@lemmy.zip 11 points 9 months ago

So that argument was used as a reason to attack them the next day. What about the other 40 days since?

[-] Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de 11 points 9 months ago

You see, the problem is that you're trying to apply logic and reasoning.

[-] Hatsune_Miku@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

well this community suddenly became very quiet.

[-] lolcatnip@reddthat.com 20 points 9 months ago

Israel's right wing is a bunch of genocidal monsters who are just as evil as Hamas but much better funded.

Happy now?

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[-] Madison420@lemmy.world 10 points 9 months ago

It really hasn't, it's generic un geolocated video yet again and Israel is known to fake video. At the same time it's not at all proof of their nonsense claims.

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[-] palal@lemmy.ml 9 points 9 months ago

Is this according to the same Israel that called a water reservoir an "opening into the Hamas tunnels?"

The same one that released a faked video of a "nurse from al-Shifa?"

[-] DolphinMath@slrpnk.net 11 points 9 months ago

To be fair, Al Jazeera is blatantly anti-Israel, so I wouldn’t trust their analysis without other corroborating sources. Regardless, the evidence the IDF presented for that particular video was far from conclusive, so it’s certainly possible that particular entrance wasn’t to the Hamas tunnel network.

I also don’t doubt that nurse video is fake, but the source of the video is far from definitive. Many parties in this conflict benefit from muddling the waters with fake videos.

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[-] snek@lemmy.world 8 points 9 months ago

The dumbest part is that it says one hostage was brought to the hospital to be killed.

Bro just kill her in whatever tunnel you're in... Why drag her to the hospital?

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