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I mean there's Reddit ofc, as well as Twitter in its entirety, Discord is implementing some dumb updates, there are issues with Tumblr as well as everything to do with Meta, and I'm sure there are plenty more (and I haven't even touched other digital media, for example the Sims). Why is it all happening in the span of about a couple months?

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[–] aragon@lemmy.world 10 points 2 years ago (2 children)

Lets take the example of Reddit. Reddit could have kept its costs to the minimum and could have run the site with the ad revenue that came in. In fact they could have talked transparently about their opex and asked for a simple donation drive every now and then like Wikipedia. If need be, they could have removed silly GIF replies and other stuff and focused on text alone. However this would not let them become the next Facebook. That's what they wanted to be. At some point in their story was a choice to be forums 2.0 or get into a race to become a cash grab. Sadly they went for the latter.

[–] Gargleblaster@kbin.social 3 points 2 years ago (2 children)

n fact they could have talked transparently about their opex and asked for a simple donation drive every now and then like Wikipedia.

Let's remember this about Kbin and the Fediverse.

I would donate to help counterbalance the wave of migration that brought me here.

[–] AngrilyEatingMuffins@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

You can donate to Ernest to help defray costs for kbin. The link is in the about section. Wish it was better known. I donated yesterday.

https://www.buymeacoffee.com/kbin

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[–] Llamajockey@lemmy.world 8 points 2 years ago (5 children)

Late stage capitalism You make a business and it goes well, you make some money everyone is happy.

But with time your profits will plateau or even decline. It's natural, but businesses don't understand that it is insane to expect a company to always turn crazy profits when the product does not evolve.

Companies like apple and Microsoft don't worry as much because they are constantly evolving with new product.

Companies like Twitter, Facebook, reddit, Netflix have hit a wall where there really isn't anywhere else to go so they start making shareholder centered decisions made by people who aren't even in touch with the user base of their product.

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[–] dragontamer@lemmy.world 6 points 2 years ago (4 children)

It's the money.

US Fed has raised interest rates, destroying money for the first time in decades in an effort to stop our inflation problem

The knock on effects is that banks literally have less money to lend to companies. Some companies are affected more than others by this environment. Tech was hit hard, extremely hard.

With hundreds of thousands of layoffs, tech industry is contracting. Silicon Valley bank literally evaporated in the span of 3 days. Twitter was losing money and had to sell out. StackOverflow is losing money and is currently selling out.

In this environment, Reddit is about to launch it's long awaited IPO, the time when the public is allowed to directly buy Reddit stock and invest into the company. That's what Initial Public Offering means. If Reddit does well, Reddit will pull in lots of money this year through this IPO.

The CEO of Reddit needs to prove Reddit is profitable, or if not profitable... Will eventually be profitable. Stockholders don't care about Reddit drama for the most part, but most are smart enough to read financial sheets. Reddit needs to show growing revenue, growing profits and cutting costs to attract money.

As such, all of what Reddit's CEO has done makes sense in the context of the IPO. He is betting that shareholders won't notice the drop of high quality content creators from Reddit, since that's not a financial number that's reported. He can IPO, raising millions, maybe even billions for himself. The golden parachute outta here when everything gets screwed up in a year or two and collapses.

I think today's investors are smarter though, and the bearish economy and high interest rates means more investors will pay attention to underlying issues.

[–] linearchaos@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Generally the drama isn't a big deal. But in a specific case the only value of the site is in the community moderation and the depth of data on the site.

He needs investors to buy in but he also needs advertisers to buy in. Advertisers do not love paying for negative drama.

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[–] xcxcb@sh.itjust.works 4 points 2 years ago (4 children)

The VC money is drying up and they're demanding a return on investment as the world's economy struggles on at the moment.

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[–] RanchOnPancakes@lemmy.world 3 points 2 years ago* (last edited 2 years ago) (5 children)

Capitalism slowly shits up everything. Even the things it helps create.

I mean this in the most general way possible. Not just platforms. Even if reddit was profitable it would still continue. It's just part of the cycle of seeking not just profits but ever rising profits.

It's just more obvious lately on digital platforms because it has been kind of compressed into smaller amounts of time.

That which is free must find a way to cost.

That that makes money must find a way to make more.

And slowly but surely its takes on a fine shine. A glean seen from a distance. But when you get close you realize. "oh, its fucking shit all over it."

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[–] vacuumflower@vlemmy.net 3 points 2 years ago

One thing is chain reaction, another is that these media mostly came to existence in the same period of time. So they were aging synchronously.

This was predictable and predicted many times. Just like a building constructed with violations is not going to collapse immediately after it's finished, these things were not going to break (in various ways) immediately after being launched.

They are breaking now. Oopsie.

I hope XMPP makes a triumphant comeback. It's not dead yet.

[–] schaffertom@feddit.de 3 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Cory Doctorow has some very interesting blogposts on the topic. He call it enshittification. It's more or less the business model of plattform Capitalism.

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[–] Arbiter@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago

Running out of VC dollars, now they gotta actually make a profit.

[–] fing3r@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago
[–] InfiniteVariables@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (4 children)

Higher interest rates, less vc money, have to actually start being profitable

[–] scroll_responsibly 1 points 2 years ago

Everyone’s a genius in a bull market with a near zero interest rate.

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[–] arandomthought@vlemmy.net 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)
[–] Aztech@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

It was capitalism all along...

[–] Faendol@sh.itjust.works 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Public companies are legally required to always do their best to grow year over year. Eventually these companies get so large they can't realistically get more market share so they have to figure out how to make more money from their users. This leads to them squeezing users for cash in the hunt for short term gains because they've already realistically capped out on how much money they can make per year. It's a dumb system that can't work in the long term.

[–] Silviecat44@vlemmy.net 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

I know the system prevents it but they should just be happy with making a steady amount of income each year

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[–] Echo@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

A business corporation is organized and carried on primarily for the profit of the stockholders. The powers of the directors are to be employed for that end. The discretion of directors is to be exercised in the choice of means to attain that end, and does not extend to a change in the end itself, to the reduction of profits, or to the nondistribution of profits among stockholders in order to devote them to other purposes.

This was pulled from Case law on the fiduciary duty of directors to maximize the wealth of corporate shareholders with a few more cases sometimes in favor of the business and others in favor of the shareholder. If anyone else wants to read some more on this. Reading some more based on what searches I find it seems like in reality it complicated. But I'm just a individual contributor all of this is above my knowledge grade.

I do agree though that this model is not realistic long term. Eventually you need to jump into other markets to continue your growth or just squeeze your user base / customers dry.

[–] GuyWithLag@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago

Just search Dodge v. Ford Motor Company, the case that enshrined this doctrine...

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[–] riodoro1@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (6 children)

This is just what living in late stage capitalism looks like.

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[–] got2best@lemmy.world 2 points 2 years ago (2 children)

I think the free money train in leaving the station and everyone is scrambling to be profitable. But that's just an assumption based on twitch and Reddit right now.

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[–] Kir@feddit.it 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Economy is going bad, interest rate are up, and all Silicon Valley's company are built upon VC loans and expansion goals. Scale economy is bound to fail, and it's happening now.

[–] preciouspupp@sopuli.xyz 1 points 2 years ago

This is the answer. There was a lot of free money and now there isn't. Companies gotta cough up profits or go bust.

[–] smoke_bird@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 2 years ago

Higher interest rates means they have more pressure to start being profitable is my guess.

[–] solstice@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago (11 children)

Related question: why does it feel like hollywood is intent on completely destroying all of our beloved franchises? It's not like the place isn't overflowing with incredibly talented artists, writers, actors, producers, etc. I just don't understand why it's so hard for them to make something that isn't garbage.

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[–] azurestrike@kbin.social 1 points 2 years ago

A lot of these companies have never been profitable and have been running on VC money on speculation alone until they reach critical mass and can turn on the monetization streams.

[–] defulmere@lemmy.world 1 points 2 years ago
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