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submitted 10 months ago by stefenauris@pawb.social to c/tech@pawb.social

Those totally look like the isolinear chips from Star Trek

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[-] voodooattack@lemmy.world 82 points 10 months ago

Data is written by two million laser beamlets that punch QR code-like nano-scale patterns into the surface of the media. The laser pulse is sharpened by a digital micromirror device, and shaped by microscope optics onto the surface of the data carrier. This process imprints holes – or no holes – onto the surface layer, which represents binary information.

It’s futuristic punchcards. We’ve come full circle.

[-] wrath_of_grunge@kbin.social 42 points 10 months ago

It’s futuristic punchcards.

always was.

[-] Chobbes@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Pretty much, yeah! CDs and blu-rays aren’t all that different from punch cards, as the data is literally stored as indentations on the disc with a reflective layer. Arguably CD-RWs are kind of different as they change the reflectivity of a material itself… Hard drives and floppies are maaaaybe slightly different too because they use changes in magnetism instead of physical indentations too. You could probably argue that flash and DRAM aren’t glorified punchcards? But I mean, ultimately all data is stored in a physical medium somehow so it’s always going to have some resemblance!

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 4 points 10 months ago

Tapes and spinning disks were futuristic magnetized wire.

[-] Pyr_Pressure@lemmy.ca 7 points 10 months ago

Sounds like it would be difficult to rewrite/edit the data?

[-] Selmafudd@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Or even eched tablets, we've double backed on the full circle.

[-] jaidyn999@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

A punchcard is two dimensional. Actually you can have multiple dimensions on a punch card, the positions of the card can store different data and you can determine what that is by the position of holes on another part of the card.

Whereas a paper tape, or a magnetic tape is serial and has only one dimension (you can divide the tape into different bands though).

[-] Davel23@kbin.social 30 points 10 months ago

I've been seeing news stories like this every couple of years for most of my life, and yet storage technology just continues to plod along at the same pace it always has. Nothing ever comes of it.

[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 8 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Just as you probably never see tape storage, you would never see this storage method either, as it's not intended for personal use.

However, while you do not see tape storage being used, it's maybe what the majority of world's storage uses.

[-] GnomeComedy@beehaw.org 4 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

It's a sensational headline, sure - but I manage a few 200TB single unit servers at work and my cell phone has more than 20x the storage the computer I took to college had, and probably 20x faster.

To claim what you are ignores the significant improvements we've seen in the past 2 decades.

[-] Davel23@kbin.social 4 points 10 months ago

Obviously I'm not saying storage technology doesn't improve. But it's incremental improvements, not exponential like these stories always claim.

[-] Froyn@kbin.social 6 points 10 months ago

idk, I've still got some 512kb floppies somewhere.
Next to me is a 512GB flash drive.
1997 - 2023 is 26 years for a 1,000,000x larger storage device.
So come 2049, that should be at 512PB, they're forecasting 10PB.

I say it sounds reasonable enough.

[-] drwho@beehaw.org 1 points 10 months ago

Same. It's kind of a shame that folks forgot the word "vaporware" and what it means.

[-] 4am@lemm.ee 5 points 10 months ago

Vaporware is when software devs make claims about how great their yet-to-be-written software will be. Then, they never create it, either out of a lack of skill, time, or funding. Vaporware has, by definition, no proof of concept.

Hardware is a bit harder to call “Vaporware” since presumably they have working prototypes.

[-] jaidyn999@lemm.ee 3 points 10 months ago

Commodore 65.

Intellivision computer.

Commodore SuperPET based on the Zilog Z8000.

  • All vapourware.
[-] drwho@beehaw.org 1 points 10 months ago

The Atari 2700.

[-] drwho@beehaw.org 2 points 10 months ago

Vaporware historically includes stuff that never gets released officially, or was cancelled during the development process but was already advertised. One example of this was the Hellraiser game for the NES that would have pushed the capabilities of the console well beyond what it was ordinarily capable of because the cart included a Z80 CPU as a coprocessor. The Action Gamemaster (by Active Enterprises) in 1994. The Amiga Walker in 1996. Apple Interactive, which was a set-top box that ran OS 7, but it never went past the test type stage.

[-] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 22 points 10 months ago

So am I wrong to say this is a stone tablet hard drive? Doesn't seem like you can overwrite data on it

[-] HopeOfTheGunblade@kbin.social 17 points 10 months ago

Yeah, looks like write once. Which, we got a lot of mileage out of CD-Rs, libraries are useful.

[-] Chobbes@lemmy.world 5 points 10 months ago

I feel like we don’t appreciate the history of data storage enough! It’s kind of wild looking at how different the world was when CD-Rs came out. They could store substantially more data than a typical hard drive of the time and were dirt cheap. So you would get bulletin boards hosting content from optical drives and stuff. It’s also (partially) why you would have to use discs for games in the past, instead of just installing them to the hard drive. When hard drives are expensive it’s probably better to just stream music and assets from an optical disc instead of taking up precious space. Sometimes you could play a game (or part of it) without the disc, but you wouldn’t get music because that was left on the disc.

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[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 4 points 10 months ago

I would even argue most storage is used as write once storage. From backup systems to libraries, a lot of data is data we want to just record, and never overwrite.

[-] EatYouWell@lemmy.world 4 points 10 months ago

You don't need to. These are intended for backups and data archiving where storage density matters the most

[-] Seasm0ke@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

Seems like thered be some extra hoops to get through for differential backups, impossible to us for most daily applications, probably better suited for things like laboratory and archives..

[-] aBundleOfFerrets@sh.itjust.works 2 points 10 months ago

It looks like you can’t overwrite new data, but you can still punch it full of ones :p

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 15 points 10 months ago

So like CD-Rs but with silica instead of organics.

I like the idea.

[-] jaidyn999@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago

Seems more like a standard CD. It can only be written on once.

[-] Klear@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

CD-R is the standard CD. CD-RWs are the rewritable ones.

[-] Evil_Shrubbery@lemm.ee 1 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

CD-ROMs are read-only(-memory) & usually stamped plastic covered with mirror-ish surface (aluminum-somethings prob?).

CD-R have an (recordable) organic layer on top you can burn lil patterns into, once only.

CD-RW can be re-written several times.

But none of them really last long.

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[-] A_A@lemmy.world 14 points 10 months ago

... Data can be written at GBps speeds, with TB/square-centimeter areal densities ...

Say, 8 Tbits/cm² (so 1 TB/cm²) ...
this is aprox ( 10^-7^m )^2^ unit cells.

Conventional optical microscopy cannot resolve this, so, maybe they are using evanescent surface optics ?

[-] Vilian@lemmy.ca 28 points 10 months ago

I like your funny words, magic man

[-] A_A@lemmy.world 7 points 10 months ago

Very happy to hear you saying this, well, this is science not magics :
Evanescent field
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evanescent_field
In electromagnetics, an evanescent field, or evanescent wave, is an oscillating electric and/or magnetic field that does not propagate as an electromagnetic...

[-] Crackhappy@lemmy.world 8 points 10 months ago

I like your funny words, magnet man.

[-] A_A@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

Thanks for these kind words Mr C. Happy.
(I know there must be a joke and I'm sorry that I do not get it. I have a lot of difficulty to grasp many jokes. Thanks anyway.)

[-] stefenauris@pawb.social 1 points 10 months ago
[-] RubberElectrons@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

Good question. "Everything was built with CoTS components"... Hmm.

[-] tonbo@lemmy.world 2 points 10 months ago

I think it's 3dimensional not 2

[-] A_A@lemmy.world 1 points 10 months ago

This would absolutely make sense. Unfortunately, they don't say whether or not (it's 3D) in the article. Well ... they do describe it as a microscopic QR code which is 2D.

[-] JohnWorks@sh.itjust.works 9 points 10 months ago

Based on the demo video I'm assuming this is more for archival storage rather than on demand. So more like a tape replacement rather than hard drive?

[-] BananaTrifleViolin@kbin.social 8 points 10 months ago

Yes. Hugely important topic in itself. M-Disc is the current best we have, with claims they will last 1000 years if properly stored (limited by the plastic degredation). But ceramics should be more stable, and the speed claims look good. This is not the only tech solution vying to be a long term contender but looks like a potential good one.

[-] stefenauris@pawb.social 5 points 10 months ago

That's the impression I'm getting from it too

[-] mindbleach@sh.itjust.works 3 points 10 months ago

Storage tech isn't as sensationalized and vapor-heavy as battery tech, but I do still wish holographic versatile discs had been a thing.

[-] SpezCanLigmaBalls@lemmy.world 3 points 10 months ago

That thumbnail looks cool

[-] wrath_of_grunge@kbin.social 2 points 10 months ago

The firm claims it's cost-effective, fast, and scalable technology for future data storage because no energy is consumed to store data and it can last more than 5,000 years due to the fact it's made from ceramic. The best hard drives and best SSDs, by contrast, need to be replaced every few years.

lol, they for real discovered something that was discovered 12,000 years ago. ceramic keeps for a long time.

[-] SkyeStarfall@lemmy.blahaj.zone 10 points 10 months ago* (last edited 10 months ago)

I'm pretty sure their discoveries here are not the material properties of ceramics, but how to turn them into cost effective digital storage devices.

[-] SloanTheServal@pawb.social 1 points 10 months ago

He who keeps the old akindle, and adds new knowledge, is fit to be ~~a teacher~~ an inventor.

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